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Now before you go on tirades about how your religion is perfect or anything, I should mention I’m not talking about the religion itself. I’m talking about the followers. Those who envision themselves as the true believers or the ones who think they’re role models. Those people are flaws of religion. Those wondering why religion is so hated, look at those who believe that they are following the ‘truth’. How they will treat their fellow human being, their actions, their beliefs and they treat people who do not share the same view. It’s disgusting and it shames me to see how People who are suppose to represent a peaceful religion exhibit such hatred.

Plus unfortunately you can’t have religion without followers.
The bible, Quran and Torah may be faultless but those who follow it aren’t and it’s those people who represent religion
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The religious fundamentalists and hardliners that earn organised religion a bad name.
The unpleasant few using scripture/the religion they purport to represent as their own personal weapon.
Despite being a small proportion of the faith group and total population as a whole, bad apples always manage to cause so much destruction and chaos.
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I agree there are many bad religious people. A lot of people who would call themselves X religion often do not follow it particulary well. However, people are not perfect and I believe many religions accept this. So in our faults also lies our fault in trying to follow chapter and verse of some scripture or doctrine perfectly, it's not possible
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(Original post by Ben878 (LfL))
I agree there are many bad religious people. A lot of people who would call themselves X religion often do not follow it particulary well. However, people are not perfect and I believe many religions accept this. So in our faults also lies our fault in trying to follow chapter and verse of some scripture or doctrine perfectly, it's not possible
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The religious fundamentalists and hardliners that earn organised religion a bad name.
The unpleasant few using scripture/the religion they purport to represent as their own personal weapon.
Despite being a small proportion of the faith group and total population as a whole, bad apples always manage to cause so much destruction and chaos.
The scriptures/holy books are not flawed however the religion which their followers bulit around these books are. Their actions represent the religion but not their scriptures. Their interpretation of certain chapters or verses usually are not the right ones and causes them to go against their faith, unfortunately many believe in these interpretations which means the true meaning often is rejected for false meanings.
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The scriptures/holy books are not flawed however the religion which their followers bulit around these books are. Their actions represent the religion but not their scriptures. Their interpretation of certain chapters or verses usually are not the right ones and causes them to go against their faith, unfortunately many believe in these interpretations which means the true meaning often is rejected for false meanings.
I would say most religious texts are flawed - especially in that they cause many conflicting intepretations
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I would say most religious texts are flawed - especially in that they cause many conflicting intepretations
I think it depends on the person. Many people would interpret texts or events in different ways. No one is able to interpret a text the right way since there’s no ‘right way’
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I would say most religious texts are flawed - especially in that they cause many conflicting intepretations
Almost all ancient religious scriptures contain either significant flaws, openly violent invective or clear commands to impose upon/convert/ostracize others.
Arguably some of the above could also apply to more modern religious scriptures like scientology's dianetics or the book of mormon.

A lot of the variation in ancient scriptural interpretation arises from clumsy language translation or deliberate attempts to rewrite the text/distort the context in order to serve a specific agenda.

Ironically, when it comes to the most horrid examples of violent fundamentalism in ancient scripture they are so crystal clear and obvious that there is no credible way of claim room for any type of creative interpretation. Only rejection is possible.
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I think it depends on the person. Many people would interpret texts or events in different ways. No one is able to interpret a text the right way since there’s no ‘right way’
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Their interpretation of certain chapters or verses usually are not the right ones and causes them to go against their faith, unfortunately many believe in these interpretations which means the true meaning often is rejected for false meanings.
Like how many denominations of Christianity do we need because of the Bible's interpretations, for it to go that far is a massive flaw to me
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That is a rather broad statement, though I do understand some people are overzealous. But that said, at times the books/teachings themselves necessitate or demand certain behaviour in certain circumstances which would appear counter to being 'peaceful', and also the books and teachings place a certain hierarchy of priorities e.g. theists respecting God at the top, whereas to an atheist or agnost, that is relatively low on list, so it is hard to have absolute peace unless the theist or atheist/agnost compromises on their list of priorities to not offend the other, like if the atheist made a statement insulting God/a religious symbol, or if the theist made a statement about atheists going to Hell or something else deemed offensive.
It is thus hard to acheive a middle ground as people live their lives and speak according to different realities and priorities, and I would go as far as to say that for you to even say there has to be no conflict between people (which is near the top of your priorities), you have to assert your own subjective list of priorities upon everyone else, when having no conflict is not necessarily on the top of everyone else's, which ironically creates that conflict/compromise dilemma I outlined above.

Life will always be a war of ideals on a micro or macro level, and 'peace' is simply when by choice or necessity one side has had to compromise for the other.
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(Original post by londonmyst)
Almost all ancient religious scriptures contain either significant flaws, openly violent invective or clear commands to impose upon/convert/ostracize others.
Arguably some of the above could also apply to more modern religious scriptures like scientology's dianetics or the book of mormon.

A lot of the variation in ancient scriptural interpretation arises from clumsy language translation or deliberate attempts to rewrite the text/distort the context in order to serve a specific agenda.

Ironically, when it comes to the most horrid examples of violent fundamentalism in ancient scripture they are so crystal clear and obvious that there is no credible way of claim room for any type of creative interpretation. Only rejection is possible.
It's a little worrying when a fundamentalist part of a religious text is rejected and a fundamentalist considers that becoming incompatible with the religious text and religion, or sometimes not even rejecting a fundamentalist part of scripture just something that's generally backwards. In that way it reminds me of your sedevacantist family, I'm going to take a guess at that they would condemn ('modern') catholics as effectively being non-believers or worshipping an idol simply because a hardcore piece of doctrine has been discarded.
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It's a little worrying when a fundamentalist part of a religious text is rejected and a fundamentalist considers that becoming incompatible with the religious text and religion, or sometimes not even fundamentalist part of scripture just something that's generally backwards. In that way it reminds me of your sedevacantist family, I'm going to take a guess at that they would condemn ('modern' catholics as effectively being non-believers or worshipping an idol simply because a hardcore piece of doctrine has been discarded.
My maternal grandparents rejected vatican ii but stayed with the church holding their noses.
A lot of their friends and some staff went down the sedevacantist route. Cue normal situations suddenly transforming into an ideal venue for turning on each other and pointing fingers about the other being heretics destined for eternal hellfire.

My grandmother habitually accuses my mother of being a heretic, unmarried mother and the devil's child for accepting vatican ii & marrying an atheist.
I used to be the target of maternal grandmother's vile diatribes too- only ceased when I let her know that I'm one of the laziest catholics on earth, can prove it and prefer having fun to wasting time with her.
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My maternal grandparents rejected vatican ii but stayed with the church holding their noses.
A lot of their friends and some staff went down the sedevacantist route. Cue normal situations suddenly transforming into an ideal venue for turning on each other and pointing fingers about the other being heretics destined for eternal hellfire.

My grandmother habitually accuses my mother of being a heretic, unmarried mother and the devil's child for accepting vatican ii & marrying an atheist.
I used to be the target of maternal grandmother's vile diatribes too- only ceased when I let her know that I'm one of the laziest catholics on earth, can prove it and prefer having fun to wasting time with her.
Your family sounds like a huge mess. No wonder so many are turning their back on religion. When their only experience of religious people are their family and they act like yours, I could understand why any one wouldn’t want to be associated with religion.
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Your family sounds like a huge mess. No wonder so many are turning their back on religion. When their only experience of religious people are their family and they act like yours, I could understand why any one wouldn’t want to be associated with religion.
Ultra traditionalist catholics made my mother's childhood a misery.
She accepted vatican ii and stayed with the church; still believes in sexual abstinence until marriage and opposes abortion under all circumstances.
My father is a militant atheist, the most noisy sort that constantly bellows about religion being an evil cult out to scam money and control the gullible masses.
He spends more time mentioning the word God, than most religious people do.
My maternal grandmother is now an 80 year old widow, she has been ranting vile nonsense since she got married as a teenager.
Her husband and his mother behaved even worse.
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Ultra traditionalist catholics made my mother's childhood a misery.
She accepted vatican ii and stayed with the church; still believes in sexual abstinence until marriage and opposes abortion under all circumstances.
My father is a militant atheist, the most noisy sort that constantly bellows about religion being an evil cult out to scam money and control the gullible masses.
He spends more time mentioning the word God, than most religious people do.
My maternal grandmother is now an 80 year old widow, she has been ranting vile nonsense since she got married as a teenager.
Her husband and his mother behaved even worse.
I’m curious to know how you survive this. One said rod the family is ultra religious while the other side is anti religious. It seems neither considered you at all. It’s really sad and a terrible place to be in.
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I’m curious to know how you survive this. One said rod the family is ultra religious while the other side is anti religious. It seems neither considered you at all. It’s really sad and a terrible place to be in.
By studying theology and history degrees.
Plus learning quickly how to spot dogma fanatics and avoid them.
Fanatics don't tend to prioritize consideration for other people.
I grew up surrounded by religious eccentrics, trade union revolutionary socialists, militant atheists, anarchists and fringe animal rights elements.
Plenty of dogmas going around.
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By studying theology and history degrees.
Plus learning quickly how to spot dogma fanatics and avoid them.
Fanatics don't tend to prioritize consideration for other people.
I grew up surrounded by religious eccentrics, trade union revolutionary socialists, militant atheists, anarchists and fringe animal rights elements.
Plenty of dogmas going around.
Interesting. I think it’s good now you know got to spot fanatics. I think I would love to have a skill to avoid them since I’m already bored with dealing with their preaching.
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Religion reminds me of them cliques you get at school, with members thinking they're superior to those they perceive as outsiders.
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