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I really don't think that will happen. Not the remotest chance.

The EU does not want us to leave without a deal. It has more to lose than gain by us leaving.
The EU offered the UK a deal, who then rejected it because the unicorns mane wasn't fluffy enough. Don't pretend that the problem in these negotiations has been anything other than the UK, specifically the arrogant English Exceptionalism coming from back bench Tories.
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I really don't think that will happen. Not the remotest chance.

The EU does not want us to leave without a deal. It has more to lose than gain by us leaving.
And the uk has the most to lose...
You think some commonwealth country in Africa will replace the multi billion trade deal the uk has with the EU? You’re having a complete laugh.
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(Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
The EU offered the UK a deal, who then rejected it because the unicorns mane wasn't fluffy enough. Don't pretend that the problem in these negotiations has been anything other than the UK, specifically the arrogant English Exceptionalism coming from back bench Tories.
Couldn’t agree more. This ‘they have more to lose than we do’ attitude is completely delusional and is honestly embarrassing. Germany’s economy alone is almost double the size...
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I really don’t get the “the EU has more to lose” part. The U.K. has the most opt outs in the entire union, it isn’t a part of the Schengen Agreement, the EMU, the AFSJ, or the charter of fundamental rights. If anything, the U.K. leaving and losing its voting and veto rights would allow for further integration and deepening of the Union. Which is the reason why the EU isn’t exactly begging the U.K. to remain.
Besides that, how is one single country more important than 27? Anyway, the people should at least be given another vote in order to make a more informed decision now that they know what the consequences really will be. 52%-48% is marginal, and possibly a result of misinformation
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I really don’t get the “the EU has more to lose” part. The U.K. has the most opt outs in the entire union, it isn’t a part of the Schengen Agreement, the EMU, the AFSJ, or the charter of fundamental rights. If anything, the U.K. leaving and losing its voting and veto rights would allow for further integration and deepening of the Union. Which is the reason why the EU isn’t exactly begging the U.K. to remain.
Besides that, how is one single country more important than 27? Anyway, the people should at least be given another vote in order to make a more informed decision now that they know what the consequences really will be. 52%-48% is marginal, and possibly a result of misinformation
Agreed, the ‘Brexit lite’ deal that’s probably going to get agreed is just the UK having to accept the EU’s trade terms and have no say in creating them, as well as not being a part of the EU-Japan trade deal (the largest trade deal in history) or Galileo...oh dear
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(Original post by RSnia)
I really don’t get the “the EU has more to lose” part. The U.K. has the most opt outs in the entire union, it isn’t a part of the Schengen Agreement, the EMU, the AFSJ, or the charter of fundamental rights. If anything, the U.K. leaving and losing its voting and veto rights would allow for further integration and deepening of the Union. Which is the reason why the EU isn’t exactly begging the U.K. to remain.
Besides that, how is one single country more important than 27? Anyway, the people should at least be given another vote in order to make a more informed decision now that they know what the consequences really will be. 52%-48% is marginal, and possibly a result of misinformation
No, we had a vote and haev spent millions on preparing brexit why cancel.

The EU has loads to lose.

- UK is second biggest economy in EU
- UK has one of the biggest and best armies in the EU
- Uk has one of the best intelligence services in the EU
- UK tourists biggest visitors to EU states such as Spain
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(Original post by ap.ferro)
No, we had a vote and haev spent millions on preparing brexit why cancel.

The EU has loads to lose.

- UK is second biggest economy in EU
- UK has one of the biggest and best armies in the EU
- Uk has one of the best intelligence services in the EU
- UK tourists biggest visitors to EU states such as Spain
Because it’ll take billions to actually leave.

- the financial blow to the EU won’t be great considering the U.K. is not part of the monetary union. Now if Germany or France were to leave, sure
- the EU does not have a European army, the NATO suffices and the U.K. won’t leave that
- actually I believe countries such as Greece and Spain aren’t particularly fond of british tourists
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Because it’ll take billions to actually leave.

- the financial blow to the EU won’t be great considering the U.K. is not part of the monetary union. Now if Germany or France were to leave, sure
- the EU does not have a European army, the NATO suffices and the U.K. won’t leave that
- actually I believe countries such as Greece and Spain aren’t particularly fond of british tourists
I've never had a problem in greece.

And yes the people may not like us but without us they would literally be nonexistent. Also countries like Cyprus and Malta are VERY close to the UK in terms of tourism and culture as both have high numbers of english speakers. In fact both cyprus and malta are ensuring all british citizens are protected to get cyprus/maltese citizenship and also ensure relations are maintained.

A friend of mine from Portugal say how in Portugal they have opened a "fast lane" for British citizens to get portugese citizenship and residency permits too.
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I've never had a problem in greece.

And yes the people may not like us but without us they would literally be nonexistent. Also countries like Cyprus and Malta are VERY close to the UK in terms of tourism and culture as both have high numbers of english speakers. In fact both cyprus and malta are ensuring all british citizens are protected to get cyprus/maltese citizenship and also ensure relations are maintained.

A friend of mine from Portugal say how in Portugal they have opened a "fast lane" for British citizens to get portugese citizenship and residency permits too.
Also should be noted Verhofstadt and merkel as well as macron are basically creating an EU army.
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No, we had a vote and haev spent millions on preparing brexit why cancel.

The EU has loads to lose.

- UK is second biggest economy in EU
- UK has one of the biggest and best armies in the EU
- Uk has one of the best intelligence services in the EU
- UK tourists biggest visitors to EU states such as Spain
The uk won’t be part of Europol any further, which is a massive security liability. German, French and Italian tourists holiday far more in EU countries. The Uk is the third largest contributor to the EU. The UK’s army has nothing to do with the EU, as it is not a defence union. Most EU countries are members of NATO...
The fact that the uk imports most of its products from the EU shows just how dependent it is on it for medicine, food, machinery, most products that the entire population uses on a daily basis. There are no alternatives, most of these products are only manufactured in the EU due to patents and are of very high quality due to all those ‘pesky’ rules to make products consumer friendly. If you actually look at the facts, it is far more complex, nowhere near as black and white as your arrogance makes it out to be. The empire ended decades ago.
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I've never had a problem in greece.

And yes the people may not like us but without us they would literally be nonexistent. Also countries like Cyprus and Malta are VERY close to the UK in terms of tourism and culture as both have high numbers of english speakers. In fact both cyprus and malta are ensuring all british citizens are protected to get cyprus/maltese citizenship and also ensure relations are maintained.

A friend of mine from Portugal say how in Portugal they have opened a "fast lane" for British citizens to get portugese citizenship and residency permits too.
Two islands, that’s what your argument is based on? German, french and Italian tourists visit EU states far more and spend more within the EU. Your arguments don’t hold up at all. The EU have negotiated far greater trade deals than the Uk has since brexit...just look at the one with Japan and South America. You voted to go into competition with not just the US, China and Russia but now with the largest trade block on earth, which the UK was a part of and had a voice. What an idiotic move.
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I've never had a problem in greece.

And yes the people may not like us but without us they would literally be nonexistent. Also countries like Cyprus and Malta are VERY close to the UK in terms of tourism and culture as both have high numbers of english speakers. In fact both cyprus and malta are ensuring all british citizens are protected to get cyprus/maltese citizenship and also ensure relations are maintained.

A friend of mine from Portugal say how in Portugal they have opened a "fast lane" for British citizens to get portugese citizenship and residency permits too.
It depends on which part of Greece you’re visiting and what type of tourist you are. I’m not one to generalise but young Brits aren’t exactly the best type of tourists. However I particularly enjoy talking to older people, especially ones who have retired here. I generally do like british people, which is why it would be sad to see them go. However, tourism won’t exactly be hindered by a slight decrease from the U.K., I’m quite positive they won’t exactly stop coming.
As for Cyprus, I would mostly put that down to the fact that Cyprus was a british colony, and the Treaty of Guarantee of course, and the military bases.
As for the European army, it’s not exactly something one or two people (or countries) get to decide. It’d be a long and tedious process because nations see it more as a loss of sovereignty. there have been multiple talks diachronically that did not end positively. But the fact that such an army does not exist at the moment, along with NATO’s existence, deems the size of Britain’s army irrelevant to brexit I believe
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Two islands, that’s what your argument is based on? German, french and Italian tourists visit EU states far more and spend more within the EU. Your arguments don’t hold up at all. The EU have negotiated far greater trade deals than the Uk has since brexit...just look at the one with Japan and South America. You voted to go into competition with not just the US, China and Russia but now with the largest trade block on earth, which the UK was a part of and had a voice. What an idiotic move.
The two smallest countries in the union too. Whatever a country may lose once the U.K. leaves won’t measure up to what they gain by being a part of a union comprising of 27 countries. What Britain fails to realise is that the British empire ended a long time ago, and they aren’t as powerful today as they once were. I just feel bad for those who did not choose this and will be left to deal with the consequences
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The two smallest countries in the union too. Whatever a country may lose once the U.K. leaves won’t measure up to what they gain by being a part of a union comprising of 27 countries. What Britain fails to realise is that the British empire ended a long time ago, and they aren’t as powerful today as they once were. I just feel bad for those who did not choose this and will be left to deal with the consequences
Yeah, those that campaigned for this mass brainwashing should be imprisoned for treason. The UK at least had a voice on the world stage as a part of the EU.
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I think it's funny how no one questions why the media wants us to leave the EU.

My father specialises in corporation tax and used to be a big name in it. Well many states in the British Isles are corporate tax havens ie Isle of man where tax is anywhere from 0 to 10%. On these unregulated little islands that have special agreements with the UK and the UK being in Europe WAS good for business, as they allowed money to funnel through shell companies (fake companies that you pay money to, for a service the don't provide, but all the paperwork to say they do - and therefore PAY LITTLE TO NO TAX on profits).

Now what does this have to do with Brexit? So in an 'unrelated' topic, in April 2019 EU directives are clamping down on corporation tax a flat rate of 20% - even shell companies in the British Isles. So big business can no longer use these tax loopholes (tax fraud) if we stay in the EU. Their solution to save billions on tax? Leave the EU. When are we leaving again? March 29th 2019? hmmm..... Possibly the biggest corruption scandal of EU history.

Brexiteers wake the f*ck up. This is the real world and its about time you realised the people that rule this world aren't interested in British pride, saving the NHS or feeling uncomfortable about hearing someone speak a foreign language on a bus.
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I think it's funny how no one questions why the media wants us to leave the EU.

My father specialises in corporation tax and used to be a big name in it. Well many states in the British Isles are corporate tax havens ie Isle of man where tax is anywhere from 0 to 10%. On these unregulated little islands that have special agreements with the UK and the UK being in Europe WAS good for business, as they allowed money to funnel through shell companies (fake companies that you pay money to, for a service the don't provide, but all the paperwork to say they do - and therefore PAY LITTLE TO NO TAX on profits).

Now what does this have to do with Brexit? So in an 'unrelated' topic, in April 2019 EU directives are clamping down on corporation tax a flat rate of 20% - even shell companies in the British Isles. So big business can no longer use these tax loopholes (tax fraud) if we stay in the EU. Their solution to save billions on tax? Leave the EU. When are we leaving again? March 29th 2019? hmmm..... Possibly the biggest corruption scandal of EU history.

Brexiteers wake the f*ck up. This is the real world and its about time you realised the people that rule this world aren't interested in British pride, saving the NHS or feeling uncomfortable about hearing someone speak a foreign language on a bus.
I wasn't even aware of this. Then again, it's not as though the media would want to publish it lol
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And if you're wondering why politicians actually back Brexit(????) I would recommend checking out their businesses and share holdings to see if a profit is to be made.

I rather welcome example is Jacob Rees-Mogg's business. His business offers 'Investment advice' (tax, legal and accounting loopholes for huge corps.) check out his business 'Somerset Capital Management LLP'; the estimated worth is nearly £9.73 billion in assets alone, not to mention the payout from Brexit. https://predictiveops.com/advisers/146834 . You're welcome.

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I wasn't even aware of this. Then again, it's not as though the media would want to publish it lol
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I'm guessing this just killed the thread hahaha
It is about time the public knew Brexit is about the rich screwing the poor and not just politicians in the know (with the wealthy and media's gun finger on the trigger).
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I can't wait until March 29th. I can see Brexit being delayed however. I honestly think this is the biggest opportunnity for our country and it is being wasted by the neolibs in Westminster. I think the first thing after the Referendum results should have been to hold a general election. Useless tories under May, and half of the Labour party would rather have a People's vote. I'll tell you what, the PEOPLE did have a vote! And 52% of them voted to leave!

I think they should get Nigel Farage as a paid advisor, a liason between the EU and the UK, appoint him as the Brexit secretary in place of the useless one we have now. Get him to negotiate a deal.

People seem to forget that the EU needs us more than we need them.

We import most of our stuff from the EU; that may seem like we are dependent on them, but likewise they are dependent on us for trade. Germany's economy is about to collapse. If that happens, so will the EU as a whole because the EU is built on Germany and France. The EU will be crippled after Brexit, they are practically begging for us to come back! They really need the £250 million we send them each week.

Also everyone scaremongering about holidays. I'll tell you what won't be in MSM, Portugal has just opened a "fast lane" for British people wanting to live and or work in Portugal. Spain, Cyprus, Malta Greece etc are dependent on british tourism. Overall, the EU is losing a lot more if we don't have a deal and if we leave as a whole.

- AP.Ferro
I'm curious to know why you can't wait. What do you personally stand to gain?

I can think of lost of things I will personally lose including money. Can't see any benefits to me.
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I'm curious to know why you can't wait. What do you personally stand to gain?

I can think of lost of things I will personally lose including money. Can't see any benefits to me.
But blue passports!!
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