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But blue passports!!
That are made by the French
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Most immigrants don’t even come from the EU, they’re from outside of it which every EU member state can control individually😂
It depends. The majority of immigrants in recent times have been from Eastern Europe, and Non-European immigrants from the Greater Middle East. But I presume that if the UK leaves the EU, the Eastern Europeans could be replaced by Spanish/Portugese people from Southern Europe.
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It depends. The majority of immigrants in recent times have been from Eastern Europe, and Non-European immigrants from the Greater Middle East. But I presume that if the UK leaves the EU, the Eastern Europeans could be replaced by Spanish/Portugese people from Southern Europe.
Around 70% of immigrants are actually from outside the EU at this present time. I think it will more likely be South Americans and African immigrants that replace Europeans
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Around 70% of immigrants are actually from outside the EU at this present time. I think it will more likely be South Americans and African immigrants that replace Europeans
Off Wikipeida: "From April 2013 to April 2014, a total of 560,000 immigrants were estimated to have arrived in the UK, including 81,000 British citizens and 214,000 from other parts of the EU. An estimated 317,000 people left, including 131,000 British citizens and 83,000 other EU citizens. The top countries represented in terms of arrivals were: China, India, Poland, the United States, and Australia.[4] "

And I presume that it would mainly be Spanish/Portuguese immigration because currently they are poor, suffer from quite high unemployment, but that they require slightly higher wages than Eastern Europeans. I think that they are closer than South America and Africa. It would be for sure that immigration from the Greater Middle East is going to be important in Europe.

It would be interesting to see if Hispanophobia ever comes to the UK though.
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Off Wikipeida: "From April 2013 to April 2014, a total of 560,000 immigrants were estimated to have arrived in the UK, including 81,000 British citizens and 214,000 from other parts of the EU. An estimated 317,000 people left, including 131,000 British citizens and 83,000 other EU citizens. The top countries represented in terms of arrivals were: China, India, Poland, the United States, and Australia.[4] "

And I presume that it would mainly be Spanish/Portuguese immigration because currently they are poor, suffer from quite high unemployment, but that they require slightly higher wages than Eastern Europeans. I think that they are closer than South America and Africa. It would be for sure that immigration from the Greater Middle East is going to be important in Europe.

It would be interesting to see if Hispanophobia ever comes to the UK though.
Yes I realise that in the past this was the case, but if you look at the recent figures released by the ONS, immigration from the EU now only accounts for 30% of all immigration: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45281796
But yes, immigration from those regions will undoubtedly be greater in the centuries to follow. I think that widespread conflict in Africa and the population explosion there will definitely make it a huge area of origin for many immigrants though
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You would be surprised how many people assume my Colombian gf is Arabic in the UK..
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It doesn't particularly matter where you're from, 'foreigners' will always be a scapegoat
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It doesn't particularly matter where you're from, 'foreigners' will always be a scapegoat
Au contraire my fruity chum, economic migrants have been used as pawns in this game by the great corporate conglomerates that the EU so dearly love, I blame the EU overlords like Junker, Verhofstat and the other faceless beaurocrats that dream up the laws that help to drive poverty in so many regions of their federal wonderland, forcing people to look further afield for work and in doing so keeping down the wages for local workforces, all to the benefit of those huge corporations.
As I've said on here before, there are a whole raft of capitalist socialists living amongst us, the sort that love the EU.
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*EDIT: 'Au contraire' and then said nothing about immigration *[in regards to Brexit]. Despite every mainstream Brexit newspaper scapegoating immigrants, study after study shows healthy benefits of migration to the recipient economy.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tain.html'

Especially migrants from the EU to UK.
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2014/nov/...n-new-evidence


You made an opinion about EU economics. Let's clear that up.

By bringing 'poverty' I believe you mean the EU euro is devaluing against the USD $ and Japanese Yen. And EU migrants are making their countries poorer? Lets see (Note: the EU can't control the UK £ like the Euro, we're 'immunised' to some degree).

Devaluing currency does not mean local living standards decrease. Devaluing GDP does.

What you're referring to (devaluation of currency) makes exports more competitively priced for other nations in addition to making investment more appealing so that the country can gain valuable outside investment for infrastructure and maintaining production. This is in fact one way to increase GDP for the future. Many Economies actively encourage this in times where they need growth. Like China who has GDP of aprox. 10%, (to give a comparison the UK has about 0.7% since Brexit and predicted to drop to -1.3%) and as of 2010 China has consistently devalued its currency when it needs to increase internal growth.

http://fortune.com/2015/08/11/why-china-devalued-yuan/

What does this mean for Europe? European exports have slowly grown bigger to the Japanese Markets.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan%...elations#Trade

EDIT**: And growth rate (GDP) in the smaller countries of the EU has increased dramatically, take Romania for example. **[Why Romania? Because Romanians are consistently cited by mainstream media and Nigel Farage as taking 'our jobs' = economic migrants]

https://tradingeconomics.com/romania/gdp


As for the rest of what I read. It didn't make any sense... Nice troll Colin. FYI edited for easier understanding.

And yes the real reason behind Brexit is to maintain £billion tax loopholes for big corporations through the tax havens that are the British Isles. Why? Because the EU is clamping down in these April 2019. The EU is fighting against this, and Brexiteers for. If we end up in another vote - pick your side carefully.
(Original post by ColinDent)
Au contraire my fruity chum, economic migrants have been used as pawns in this game by the great corporate conglomerates that the EU so dearly love, I blame the EU overlords like Junker, Verhofstat and the other faceless beaurocrats that dream up the laws that help to drive poverty in so many regions of their federal wonderland, forcing people to look further afield for work and in doing so keeping down the wages for local workforces, all to the benefit of those huge corporations.
As I've said on here before, there are a whole raft of capitalist socialists living amongst us, the sort that love the EU.
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'Au contraire' and then said nothing about immigration. Despite every mainstream Brexit newspaper scapegoating immigrants, study after study shows healthy benefits of migration to the recipient economy.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-Britain.html

Especially migrants from the EU to UK.
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2014/nov/...n-new-evidence


You made an opinion about EU economics. Let's clear that up.

By bringing 'poverty' I believe you mean the EU euro is devaluing against the USD $ and Japanese Yen. (Note: the EU can't control the UK £ like this, we're 'immunised' to some degree).

Devaluing currency does not mean local living standards decrease. Devaluing GDP does.

What you're referring to (devaluation of currency) makes exports more competitively priced for other nations in addition to making investment more appealing so that the country can gain valuable outside investment for infrastructure and maintaining production. This is in fact one way to increase GDP for the future. Many Economies actively encourage this in times where they need growth. Like China who has GDP of aprox. 10%, (to give a comparison the UK has about 0.7% since Brexit and predicted to drop to -1.3%) and as of 2010 China has consistently devalued its currency when it needs to increase internal growth.

http://fortune.com/2015/08/11/why-china-devalued-yuan/

What does this mean for Europe? European exports have slowly grown bigger to the Japanese Markets.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan%...elations#Trade

And growth rate (GDP) in the smaller countries of the EU has increased dramatically, take Romania for example.

https://tradingeconomics.com/romania/gdp


As for the rest of what I read. It didn't make any sense... Nice troll Colin.
And yes the real reason behind Brexit is to maintain £billion tax loopholes for big corporations through the tax havens that are the British Isles. Why? Because the EU is clamping down in these April 2019. The EU is fighting against this, and Brexiteers for. If we end up in another vote - pick your side carefully.
No I was talking about economic migrants, not the economy.
Do try reading what has been written.
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Au contraire my fruity chum, economic migrants have been used as pawns in this game by the great corporate conglomerates that the EU so dearly love, I blame the EU overlords like Junker, Verhofstat and the other faceless beaurocrats that dream up the laws that help to drive poverty in so many regions of their federal wonderland, forcing people to look further afield for work and in doing so keeping down the wages for local workforces, all to the benefit of those huge corporations.
As I've said on here before, there are a whole raft of capitalist socialists living amongst us, the sort that love the EU.
But most economic migrants that enter the U.K. are not from the EU, they’re from overseas. So how are EU policies to blame, and better yet how could brexit affect that?
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But most economic migrants that enter the U.K. are not from the EU, they’re from overseas. So how are EU policies to blame, and better yet how could brexit affect that?
There are rules as to who may enter the country from outside the EU, at the height of the problem of EU migration there were no such rules and low skilled/ paid workers could simply come to the UK then look for work, a large number of suchlike people caused at best stagnation of wages but in some cases lowering of wages in certain sectors.
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There are rules as to who may enter the country from outside the EU, at the height of the problem of EU migration there were no such rules and low skilled/ paid workers could simply come to the UK then look for work, a large number of suchlike people caused at best stagnation of wages but in some cases lowering of wages in certain sectors.
Complete BS. Overall migration from EU increased UK GDP. Read the study i posted.

Unskilled workers are primarily losing jobs due to automation. Should we campaign to kick computers out the country too?


(Original post by MaryDingleberry)
*EDIT: 'Au contraire' and then said nothing about immigration *[in regards to Brexit]. Despite every mainstream Brexit newspaper scapegoating immigrants, study after study shows healthy benefits of migration to the recipient economy.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-398232/Secret-report-warns-migration-meltdown-Britain.html'

Especially migrants from the EU to UK.
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2014/nov/...n-new-evidence


You made an opinion about EU economics. Let's clear that up.

By bringing 'poverty' I believe you mean the EU euro is devaluing against the USD $ and Japanese Yen. And EU migrants are making their countries poorer? Lets see (Note: the EU can't control the UK £ like the Euro, we're 'immunised' to some degree).

Devaluing currency does not mean local living standards decrease. Devaluing GDP does.

What you're referring to (devaluation of currency) makes exports more competitively priced for other nations in addition to making investment more appealing so that the country can gain valuable outside investment for infrastructure and maintaining production. This is in fact one way to increase GDP for the future. Many Economies actively encourage this in times where they need growth. Like China who has GDP of aprox. 10%, (to give a comparison the UK has about 0.7% since Brexit and predicted to drop to -1.3%) and as of 2010 China has consistently devalued its currency when it needs to increase internal growth.

http://fortune.com/2015/08/11/why-china-devalued-yuan/

What does this mean for Europe? European exports have slowly grown bigger to the Japanese Markets.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan%...elations#Trade

EDIT**: And growth rate (GDP) in the smaller countries of the EU has increased dramatically, take Romania for example. **[Why Romania? Because Romanians are consistently cited by mainstream media and Nigel Farage as taking 'our jobs' = economic migrants]

https://tradingeconomics.com/romania/gdp


As for the rest of what I read. It didn't make any sense... Nice troll Colin. FYI edited for easier understanding.

And yes the real reason behind Brexit is to maintain £billion tax loopholes for big corporations through the tax havens that are the British Isles. Why? Because the EU is clamping down in these April 2019. The EU is fighting against this, and Brexiteers for. If we end up in another vote - pick your side carefully.
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The European Council (which we are still part of) makes a democratic vote to elect European Commissioner for a 5 year term in Office.
Our current representative is Theresa May.

FYI we have an incumbent Prime minister (no one ever voted for her) and she's currently leading the future of the UK for 4 years.
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Wonderful hyperbole, please keep it up.
By the way you still haven't explained to me how we can vote Mr Junker out of office.
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Complete BS. Overall migration from EU increased UK GDP. Read the study i posted.

Unskilled workers are primarily losing jobs due to automation. Should we campaign to kick computers out the country too?
Wages were stuck on or around minimum wage for a great swathe of the country, previously reasonably paid jobs in warehousing ( the sector I have always worked in) lost shift allowances, overtime, picking bonuses, bank holiday/weekend pay and even in some cases weighting allowances, this i saw with my own eyes, and i also saw how these positions were being staffed.
Nothing you can show me will change what I have seen.
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Yet you haven't used your eyes to actually read any documents I provided.

The EU does not decide what grades you achieve and what job sector you can enter.
The EU has no say in our minimum wage.
The EU does not dictate who your business prefers to give jobs to.

Here's a query. What If no one in the UK wanted to work for your business and they couldn't find more employees?
Or your business couldn't have free trade to access to international markets?
It would go bust and you would lose your job entirely. Not just a bonus.

1000's of people with families have already and will lose jobs and they have no industry left to turn to.
The death toll so far for Brexit based motor companies : Airbus, Ford, Honda, Jaguar, Land Rover, Mini, Nissan.

And there's only 3 big names left.

(Original post by ColinDent)
Wages were stuck on or around minimum wage for a great swathe of the country, previously reasonably paid jobs in warehousing ( the sector I have always worked in) lost shift allowances, overtime, picking bonuses, bank holiday/weekend pay and even in some cases weighting allowances, this i saw with my own eyes, and i also saw how these positions were being staffed.
Nothing you can show me will change what I have seen.
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(Original post by MaryDingleberry)
Yet you haven't used your eyes to actually read any documents I provided.

The EU does not decide what grades you achieve and what job sector you can enter.
The EU has no say in our minimum wage.
The EU does not dictate who your business prefers to give jobs to.

Here's a query. What If no one in the UK wanted to work for your business and they couldn't find more employees?
Or your business couldn't have free trade to access to international markets?
It would go bust and you would lose your job entirely. Not just a bonus.

1000's of people with families have already and will lose jobs and they have no industry left to turn to.
The death toll so far for Brexit based motor companies : Airbus, Ford, Honda, Jaguar, Land Rover, Mini, Nissan.

And there's only 3 big names left.
I don't need to read those documents, i know what I've seen and experienced.
I understand that you don't count real life experience as a valid source of information but that is your problem not mine, and the refusal to believe this sort of thing is part of the reason for the vote to leave in the first place, life is not lived in document form.
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The documents i provided give the bigger picture and as facts. Not just your narrow view - which struggles to differentiate between cause and effect.

For the past year I've worked in a hospital laboratory to scrape together funds for studying abroad.
About 70%+ of the staff are migrants from outside the UK. Some of which are working just above minimum wage when they have enough diplomas and doctorates to run the whole damn building.

Your life WAS in their hands.
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Wages were stuck on or around minimum wage for a great swathe of the country, previously reasonably paid jobs in warehousing ( the sector I have always worked in) lost shift allowances, overtime, picking bonuses, bank holiday/weekend pay and even in some cases weighting allowances, this i saw with my own eyes, and i also saw how these positions were being staffed.
Nothing you can show me will change what I have seen.
And everyone rejoiced when he gained re-election.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&sour...51900203148149

And Mrs May was elected leader of the Conservative party, albeit by default, and then after the last GE they were the largest party in parliament and she managed to form a government so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, some people did vote for her though.
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The documents i provided give the bigger picture and as facts. Not just your narrow view - which struggles to differentiate between cause and effect.

For the past year I've worked in a hospital laboratory to scrape together funds for studying abroad.
About 70%+ of the staff are migrants from outside the UK. Some of which are working just above minimum wage when they have enough diplomas and doctorates to run the whole damn building.

Your life WAS in their hands.
Hmmm, playing with stats now aren't we?
And no as I explained, what you call my inability to distinguish between cause and effect was a very real thing for a great many people, couldn't give a crap what those documents say.
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