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I am currently taking History, Drama, and Health & Social Care at AS Level. I am sitting on A (plan on bringing this up from a high A to an A*) in History, A in Health & Social, and hopefully I am on an A in Drama (don’t receive our practical results till August).

KCL ask for A*AA. What if I get A*AB at AS? Will this ruin my chance of getting an offer? I will be getting my work experience in a top law firm, I have 270 hours of volunteering which is divided between 170 for community/school, 20 in volunteering to help run a drama club for younger ones with me having a few hours helping run a show for our school carol service, and 80 in volunteering in Tenerife for 2 weeks in June within marine conservation. I do debate club which has a competition coming up which will hopefully have success for me. Academic success wise, I won an essay competition for a programme ran by The Holocaust Education Trust in London which will get me a trip to Auschwitz with further studies on the holocaust. I should have a really good reference from my school and I also have a perfect plan for an interview if called for one and I have my personal statement planned out as well.

Do I have a good enough chance to get an offer from KCL next year for Law? What are their applicant:acceptance rates? And how much of an impact do GCSEs have for KCL?
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You can't get A*AB at AS, you can't get A*s
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You can't get A*AB at AS, you can't get A*s
Okay so what do I need to get an offer then?
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You need A*AA predictions, GCSEs don’t mean much, do well in the LNAT and you’ll be fine.
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You need A*AA predictions, GCSEs don’t mean much, do well in the LNAT and you’ll be fine.
So if I get AAB but my school predict A*AA, I will get an offer?
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So if I get AAB but my school predict A*AA, I will get an offer?
I mean no, your LNAT score has gotta be good, your personal statement etc.
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Okay so what do I need to get an offer then?
As and Bs, you need to be predicted AAA at least though
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As and Bs, you need to be predicted AAA at least though
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I am currently taking History, Drama, and Health & Social Care at AS Level. I am sitting on A (plan on bringing this up from a high A to an A*) in History, A in Health & Social, and hopefully I am on an A in Drama (don’t receive our practical results till August).

KCL ask for A*AA. What if I get A*AB at AS? Will this ruin my chance of getting an offer? I will be getting my work experience in a top law firm, I have 270 hours of volunteering which is divided between 170 for community/school, 20 in volunteering to help run a drama club for younger ones with me having a few hours helping run a show for our school carol service, and 80 in volunteering in Tenerife for 2 weeks in June within marine conservation. I do debate club which has a competition coming up which will hopefully have success for me. Academic success wise, I won an essay competition for a programme ran by The Holocaust Education Trust in London which will get me a trip to Auschwitz with further studies on the holocaust. I should have a really good reference from my school and I also have a perfect plan for an interview if called for one and I have my personal statement planned out as well.

Do I have a good enough chance to get an offer from KCL next year for Law? What are their applicant:acceptance rates? And how much of an impact do GCSEs have for KCL?
A-level choices sound a bit sh*t... even though KCL doesn't have a 'preferred subject' list, it's hard to see how Drama and Health & Social Care won't count against you when the competition will overwhelmingly be from individuals who are studying more 'traditional' subjects.

Getting AAB at AS is fine. It wasn't a problem under the old system. GCSEs matter, given that they'll be the only achieved grade you'll have in common with all the other applicants.

Your ECs can only be a good thing, even though I'd spend the most time on the debating and essay competition. KCL put a greater emphasis on 'scholastic' ECs than 'general' ECs. Don't fall into the trap of describing your volunteering and other stuff in more than a sentence or two - none of it is directly relevant to a law degree, and you get EC brownie points from your debating.

From their website: https://www.kcl.ac.uk/study/undergra...s/law-llb.aspx

Scholastic activities (Very Desirable): We look for applicants with an enthusiasm for scholastic activities in general such as reading, debating, theological interests etc. Participation will be valued but achievement in these areas of interest will also be recognised. We are also looking for applicants with an enthusiasm to study a law degree programme and have thought through their reasons for considering this subject option. The King’s degree programme focuses on the study of law as an intellectual discipline. Law may be regarded as a social science, a branch of ethics or as part of political philosophy, and all of these perspectives are explored within the learning environment of King's. It also can form the first major step towards qualifying for practice as a solicitor or barrister. Applicants outside of the UK should indicate why they particularly wish to study English law.

Community activities: We look for applicants who have participated as fully as possible in school, college or community life, making the most of the opportunities available to them and also demonstrated some experience of society beyond their immediate environment.

General: We look for applicants who have varied extra-curricular interests and enjoy active participation in areas such as sport, music and the arts in general. Participation will be valued but any achievement in extra-curricula activities will also be recognised. King’s aspires to recruit applicants who will continue with their personal interests and contribute to the vitality of the College community. Paid or voluntary work: Although we do not require applicants to have been in paid or voluntary employment, we welcome applications from those with any experience of legal work experience.
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A-level choices sound a bit sh*t... even though KCL doesn't have a 'preferred subject' list, it's hard to see how Drama and Health & Social Care won't count against you when the competition will overwhelmingly be from individuals who are studying more 'traditional' subjects.

Getting AAB at AS is fine. It wasn't a problem under the old system. GCSEs matter, given that they'll be the only achieved grade you'll have in common with all the other applicants.

Your ECs can only be a good thing, even though I'd spend the most time on the debating and essay competition. KCL put a greater emphasis on 'scholastic' ECs than 'general' ECs. Don't fall into the trap of describing your volunteering and other stuff in more than a sentence or two - none of it is directly relevant to a law degree, and you get EC brownie points from your debating.

From their website: https://www.kcl.ac.uk/study/undergra...s/law-llb.aspx

Scholastic activities (Very Desirable): We look for applicants with an enthusiasm for scholastic activities in general such as reading, debating, theological interests etc. Participation will be valued but achievement in these areas of interest will also be recognised. We are also looking for applicants with an enthusiasm to study a law degree programme and have thought through their reasons for considering this subject option. The King’s degree programme focuses on the study of law as an intellectual discipline. Law may be regarded as a social science, a branch of ethics or as part of political philosophy, and all of these perspectives are explored within the learning environment of King's. It also can form the first major step towards qualifying for practice as a solicitor or barrister. Applicants outside of the UK should indicate why they particularly wish to study English law.

Community activities: We look for applicants who have participated as fully as possible in school, college or community life, making the most of the opportunities available to them and also demonstrated some experience of society beyond their immediate environment.

General: We look for applicants who have varied extra-curricular interests and enjoy active participation in areas such as sport, music and the arts in general. Participation will be valued but any achievement in extra-curricula activities will also be recognised. King’s aspires to recruit applicants who will continue with their personal interests and contribute to the vitality of the College community. Paid or voluntary work: Although we do not require applicants to have been in paid or voluntary employment, we welcome applications from those with any experience of legal work experience.
I know my GCSEs of 1A 7Bs and 1C aren’t anything special but is it a possibility that this is looked at as a good thing as it shows my average scores changing into all As and A*s?

I have a debate competition next week which I am preparing for, are there online essay contests I can enter into which can boost my chances in pleasing the admissions team? I live in Northern Ireland so opportunities are limited.

My subject choices aren’t the best but my school weren’t letting me do traditionals such as English, Maths, Economics, etc. Assuming I got A* in History and AA in H&S and Drama. Would it be likely I would be accepted? With a good LNAT score and good UCAS application.
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I know my GCSEs of 1A 7Bs and 1C aren’t anything special but is it a possibility that this is looked at as a good thing as it shows my average scores changing into all As and A*s
Erm, not necessarily. Upwards trajectories can only get you so far. The problem is that you're putting a lot of pressure on yourself to do well in your A2 predicteds and LNAT. Even if you do well in those, your chances of admission will, at best, become a 'grey area' issue, where you've done well in some things and done badly/unexceptionally in others.

I can't help with the essay competition thing - never did one. Google is your friend.

A*AA is a borderline grade and is far from something that would offset your previous performance at GSCE. Again, it's a grey area. No one can give a guaranteed yes/no prediction. But I wouldn't hold my breath - try also applying to AAA and AAB courses.

You're worrying about this far too much - at the end of the day, you can only apply and hope. I have submitted some FOI requests that ask for a detailed breakdown of grades for KCL, but they'll take a few weeks to be responded to.



Which exam board are you taking AS-levels with?
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A-level choices sound a bit sh*t... even though KCL doesn't have a 'preferred subject' list, it's hard to see how Drama and Health & Social Care won't count against you when the competition will overwhelmingly be from individuals who are studying more 'traditional' subjects.
Have to agree with this, although I wouldn't have put it quite like that

OP - what were your school thinking? You have 1 A and 7 Bs and they should have encouraged you to choose at least one more academic subject, in my opinion. I know that lots of schools insist on a GCSE grade A to study Maths at A level, (fair enough) but I don't see why you couldn't have done something like English or RS if you had Bs at GCSE.

Anyway, you get 5 choices on your UCAS form and there is nothing wrong with having 1 or 2 aspirational choices - KCL would fall into that category. Your academics so far aren't amazing by their standards, but you are an interesting candidate and if they take the time to read your PS properly, they should be impressed by it. As JohanGRK says, just make sure you protect yourself by also applying to law schools requiring slightly lower grades as well.
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This may be a bit further down the road than you want to consider right now, but for law especially, a lot of employers will make you declare your GCSEs and GCE A level results as well. And well... most people will have A*AA and likely higher. So it will be something you need to justify down the road as well.
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