Trans children are being damaged Watch

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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/s...sure-c5k655nq9

Poor kids.
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Oh no, not you again. Everyone, this woman's a troll. Don't even bother.
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you don't say...🤔
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Oh no, not you again. Everyone, this woman's a troll. Don't even bother.
So I faked the article in order to troll, or you are just going to ignore it because you don't care about trans kids? Or only care ideologically?
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I put letting children physically transition in the same category as indoctrinating children into religion.
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Children should not be able to transition at such a young age. End of story.
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"Trans" children are being damaged by being encouraged.

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I don't think children should be allowed to transition at such ages. We don't allow them to make key decisions for their lives until they are adult. Yet, we allow them to make this decision at a very young age. :banghead:
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Kid's just wanna have fun man stop getting in their way
Funnily enough, they are not forced to live there. People apply there.
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I don't think children should be allowed to transition at such ages. We don't allow them to make key decisions for their lives until they are adult. Yet, we allow them to make a grave decision at a very young age. :banghead:
That would make you transphobic. Didn't you know, according to trans validation activists, kids as young as 2 or 3 know their 'gender'.
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Apply for what?
I meant they choose to transition.
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That would make you transphobic. Didn't you know, according to trans validation activists, kids as young as 2 or 3 know their 'gender'.
I don't hate transgender people nor do I want to take any rights away from them. My point is that making serious decisions that are irreversible should be done as adults.

If a 5 year old comes to me and wants to smoke or do drugs, I would not accept that until they are old enough to do so. If a 5 year old wants to transition, I would advise them to follow the process and make the key decision as an adult.
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is smoking tobacco really on the same level as doing drugs for you? wow.
Yes, they are. I have zero tolerance to both, but that is not the topic on discussion here.
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Yes, they are. I have zero tolerance to both, but that is not the topic on discussion here.
wow dude your priorities are pretty f*cked
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wow dude your priorities are pretty f*cked
To each his own.
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I'm not sure why its so hard just to reach a consensus on trans kids.. there seems to be a very sensible middle ground that most people would be able to accept:

1, any kid who wants to express any gender should be allowed - and others should respect this and treat them as such
2, No kid should be able to consent to unnecessary surgery or medical intervention (hormones) or harmful practices (binding) until the age of 16/18, when they are responsible for their own decisions.
3, If a sufficient body of evidence has been collected to demonstraite that medical intervention on under 16s, is more bennificial then harmful. Rule number 2 can then be lifted.

= we respect trans kids, and their right to express their gender
= we don't allow minors to undertake medical procedures unless they are proven to be necessary and pose little risk
= we do let them undertake the procedures once the research is in, and if it supports them.
= in the mean time, we mitigate against potential risk by only allowing consenting adults(maybe 16, as that's the age of consent) to take it.

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I think for 80% of people that would be a reasonable policy.. but either side of them you have 10% at the extremes.. 10% who want (in practice) un-restricted medical intervention for any child who self-identifies as needing it (diagnosed by a doctor yes.. a doctor who just asks if you think you are X... I've been through the diagnosis, its not reliable or difficult to just get them to agree your trans)... and 10% who want all children to rigidly stick to sex=gender, no boys in dresses, no girls playing football etc.

But those 10% either side shout the largest, and make it seem like a national arguement.. when really I think most people are pretty in agreement in the middle. Let them do what they want, but don't intervene medically unless its essential, or they are old enough to consent, or it has more longer-term research behind it
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I don't hate transgender people nor do I want to take any rights away from them. My point is that making serious decisions that are irreversible should be done as adults.

If a 5 year old comes to me and wants to smoke or do drugs, I would not accept that until they are old enough to do so. If a 5 year old wants to transition, I would advise them to follow the process and make the key decision as an adult.
I agree with you. I am just saying that to trans validation activists, and so-called 'charities' like Mermaids, that makes you transphobic and the perpetrator of 'literal violence'.
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I'm not sure why its so hard just to reach a consensus on trans kids.. there seems to be a very sensible middle ground that most people would be able to accept:

1, any kid who wants to express any gender should be allowed - and others should respect this and treat them as such
2, No kid should be able to consent to unnecessary surgery or medical intervention (hormones) or harmful practices (binding) until the age of 16/18, when they are responsible for their own decisions.
3, If a sufficient body of evidence has been collected to demonstraite that medical intervention on under 16s, is more bennificial then harmful. Rule number 2 can then be lifted.

= we respect trans kids, and their right to express their gender
= we don't allow minors to undertake medical procedures unless they are proven to be necessary and pose little risk
= we do let them undertake the procedures once the research is in, and if it supports them.
= in the mean time, we mitigate against potential risk by only allowing consenting adults(maybe 16, as that's the age of consent) to take it.

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I think for 80% of people that would be a reasonable policy.. but either side of them you have 10% at the extremes.. 10% who want (in practice) un-restricted medical intervention for any child who self-identifies as needing it (diagnosed by a doctor yes.. a doctor who just asks if you think you are X... I've been through the diagnosis, its not reliable or difficult to just get them to agree your trans)... and 10% who want all children to rigidly stick to sex=gender, no boys in dresses, no girls playing football etc.

But those 10% either side shout the largest, and make it seem like a national arguement.. when really I think most people are pretty in agreement in the middle. Let them do what they want, but don't intervene medically unless its essential, or they are old enough to consent, or it has more longer-term research behind it
But those are the kind of religious fundamentalist, conservatives. So-called 'terfs' do not favor rigid gender roles...
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I'm not sure why its so hard just to reach a consensus on trans kids.. there seems to be a very sensible middle ground that most people would be able to accept:

1, any kid who wants to express any gender should be allowed - and others should respect this and treat them as such
2, No kid should be able to consent to unnecessary surgery or medical intervention (hormones) or harmful practices (binding) until the age of 16/18, when they are responsible for their own decisions.
3, If a sufficient body of evidence has been collected to demonstraite that medical intervention on under 16s, is more bennificial then harmful. Rule number 2 can then be lifted.

= we respect trans kids, and their right to express their gender
= we don't allow minors to undertake medical procedures unless they are proven to be necessary and pose little risk
= we do let them undertake the procedures once the research is in, and if it supports them.
= in the mean time, we mitigate against potential risk by only allowing consenting adults(maybe 16, as that's the age of consent) to take it.

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I think for 80% of people that would be a reasonable policy.. but either side of them you have 10% at the extremes.. 10% who want (in practice) un-restricted medical intervention for any child who self-identifies as needing it (diagnosed by a doctor yes.. a doctor who just asks if you think you are X... I've been through the diagnosis, its not reliable or difficult to just get them to agree your trans)... and 10% who want all children to rigidly stick to sex=gender, no boys in dresses, no girls playing football etc.

But those 10% either side shout the largest, and make it seem like a national arguement.. when really I think most people are pretty in agreement in the middle. Let them do what they want, but don't intervene medically unless its essential, or they are old enough to consent, or it has more longer-term research behind it
I think you have made sound points and I agree with some of them. My issue is your point about “blurring the lines”, i.e. allowing boys to wear dresses etc.

I think kids are not only easily influenced but can believe things that are not true. There are cases I have heard about, where some people have been indoctrinating kids into a transgender mindset. This can then lead to them thinking that they are born in the wrong body.

At such a young age, most boys and girls interact as kids with little or no knowledge of self and the world. I think we should encourage them to live that life. As they get older, they can explore and then make their own decisions.

This transgender topic of early decision making is similar to some conversations around homosexuality, where kids were enocuraged to come out as gay as young as 7, way before they even hit puberty or knew what it really meant to be themselves.

Personally, I dont think people have a problem with adults making their own decisions. However, when we see a kind of indoctrination that happens, you get worried whether the kids are making their decisions or brainwashed to think they are who they are not.

We get upset with religious or political indoctrination of children, but we are excited for them to be indoctrinated into, in some cases, a false sense of identity.
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I agree with you. I am just saying that to trans validation activists, and so-called 'charities' like Mermaids, that makes you transphobic and the perpetrator of 'literal violence'.
Oh, wow. That is wild.
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