8 Labour MP's, 3 Tory MP's QUIT party Watch

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47278902

7 MP's have quit the Labour Party in protest at Jeremy Corbyn's leadership. They have said this is due to the far left leaning politics the party has been engaging in under his leadership and the issues with antisemitism.

What do you think is going to happen next? Have your say below!
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Woah :eek:

I’m shocked.
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Chuka umunna lol. Tbf Labour were just a bigger version of Lib Dems before Corbyn came
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Seven so far anyway.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live

- @ChukaUmunna
- @MikeGapes
- @lucianaberger
- @anncoffey_mp
- @ChrisLeslieMP
- @gavinshuker
- @angelasmithmp

It's hard not to think they will get nowhere. The history of past breakaways from the Labour Party is not good for the individuals concerned. However, the famous SDP breakaway from the party in the early 80s arguably led to Tony Blair's recapture of the party by the right, so perhaps that's what these folks are hoping for.

Listening to them in the press conference though, they sound like they are simply fed up of trying to be moderates in a party that has shifted sharply left.

I think they are wrong, muddle-headed and behind the zeitgeist. They should look at the US, where the Democrats are increasingly unafraid to call themselves 'socialists' and that is going down well with the voters.

It's the people who have moved to the harder edges of leftism and rightism.
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They may get nowhere but can you really blame them? The Labour leadership is currently complicit in an aim that goes against everything the party ought to be standing for and shows no real sign of changing its mind. I am very sympathetic to these MPs.
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They may get nowhere but can you really blame them? The Labour leadership is currently complicit in an aim that goes against everything the party ought to be standing for and shows no real sign of changing its mind. I am very sympathetic to these MPs.
To me they just seem behind the curve. Luciana and Chukka in particular are/were key Blairites (they were both favoured by Tony and talked of as possible successors) and they seem not to have accepted that the public, more than Labour itself, decisively dumped Blairism.
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FoS, are you upset your Labour party is now under threat?
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To me they just seem behind the curve. Luciana and Chukka in particular are/were key Blairites (they were both favoured by Tony and talked of as possible successors) and they seem not to have accepted that the public, more than Labour itself, decisively dumped Blairism.
At this point, I think that the Brexiters are a significantly bigger threat than the Blairites. The country and the Labour party is in an absolute crisis at the moment and I genuinely do not understand what Labour MPs concerned about Brexit are hoping to achieve whilst remaining in the party as it exists at the moment?
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FoS, are you upset your Labour party is now under threat?
If it was 'my' Labour Party, I would indeed be upset, but I am not and never have been a member.
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1. At least the centrists in the Labour party and done what they have been threatening to do for the last 4 years. The Brexit and anti-semitism accusations don't convince me. Still.

2 Are the going to trigger by elections? It would make sense but I don't see it happening. What does that mean for their constituents?
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(Original post by Fullofsurprises)
If it was 'my' Labour Party, I would indeed be upset, but I am not and never have been a member.
You mightn't be a member, but you rely on them to usurp the dastardly Tories. Or did I get the wrong memo?
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(Original post by Fullofsurprises)
To me they just seem behind the curve. Luciana and Chukka in particular are/were key Blairites (they were both favoured by Tony and talked of as possible successors) and they seem not to have accepted that the public, more than Labour itself, decisively dumped Blairism.
It looks like the conservatives might win the next election then. While they may look like a divided party, Labour looks worse. Unfortunately at this point, the tories might be in power for much longer until labour can get itself together
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(Original post by Plagioclase)
At this point, I think that the Brexiters are a significantly bigger threat than the Blairites. The country and the Labour party is in an absolute crisis at the moment and I genuinely do not understand what Labour MPs concerned about Brexit are hoping to achieve whilst remaining in the party as it exists at the moment?
If the central stated concern was advocating a second referendum, I would have more time for this bunch, but they seem obsessed with internal party issues, the conduct of deselections and what looks suspiciously like their own self-interest. Given the kinds of people they are, I'm not all that surprised that a lot of Labour members want to oust them.
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It looks like the conservatives might win the next election then. While they may look like a divided party, Labour looks worse. Unfortunately at this point, the tories might be in power for much longer until labour can get itself together
I'm not convinced the Tories won't develop an even bigger fissure - the way things are going, they are heading for a major split, not least down to the arrogant way Theresa May tries to deal with things.
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You mightn't be a member, but you rely on them to usurp the dastardly Tories. Or did I get the wrong memo?
As they are the largest opposition party, it's kind of difficult to be anti-Tory and not at least a little bit interested in how well Labour are doing their jobs.
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As they are the largest opposition party, it's kind of difficult to be anti-Tory and not at least a little bit interested in how well Labour are doing their jobs.
Which is what I am getting at. You're opposed to this because you think it weakens the anti-Tory movement, so it brings into question your comments about how sensible this is for these MPs on a personal level. I think it is good they're standing up for their convictions here, and not getting caught into the trap of following the whip against your own constitution.
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they are simply fed up of trying to be moderates in a party that has shifted sharply left. I think they are wrong, muddle-headed and behind the zeitgeist
What kind of a bubble do you live in? The populace as a whole abhors the extreme right, but fears absolutely the damage that a Corbynite Labour party will do if it comes to power. The only electable Labour party is a centrist one, as led by Blair (but not led by Blair, obviously). It needs a real leader, not an amiable muddled idiot like Corbyn and policies that obviously benefit Britain as a whole and won't lead us into being the next Venezuela.

We have, perhaps, the least competent Conservative government ever and a left-led Labour party is nevertheless unelecatble. That must tell you something.
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1. At least the centrists in the Labour party and done what they have been threatening to do for the last 4 years. The Brexit and anti-semitism accusations don't convince me. Still.

2 Are the going to trigger by elections? It would make sense but I don't see it happening. What does that mean for their constituents?
Resigning party membership doesn't automatically trigger a by-election.

An MP who defects may also chose to resign from the House in order to trigger a vote, Carswell did this back in 2014 when he defected from the Conservatives to UKIP (he then won the by-election). Who knows if these ex-Labour MPs will follow suit or not.

If the MPs decide against triggering a by-election there's nothing that can be done about it. MPs cannot be ousted by constituents unless the MP is suspended, serves prison time or is convicted of false expenses claims.
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Who knows if these ex-Labour MPs will follow suit or not.
We all do, actually, as they have said they will continue to sit as independents.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47278902
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(Original post by Fullofsurprises)
If the central stated concern was advocating a second referendum, I would have more time for this bunch, but they seem obsessed with internal party issues, the conduct of deselections and what looks suspiciously like their own self-interest. Given the kinds of people they are, I'm not all that surprised that a lot of Labour members want to oust them.
If they were only motivated by self-interest then they would have shut up, toed the Corbyn-cult line and stayed in the Labour Party - they all had large majorities in safe Labour seats so would have been able to collect £70,000 salaries every year till they died, if they so wanted.

Choosing to leave the Labour Party, and thereby probably lose their seats at the next election, is the antithesis of self-interest.
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