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Recently read an article about a surge in sexual assaults in schools. Does it not occur to anyone that teenagers sexually assaulting each other is disgusting, and even more concerning than adults ?

The government talk about banning pornography by introducing age checks. This will never work. So surely instead we should try and restrict access to pornography. For example, introducing fees for it. Removing it from the App Store , and making the website unavailable on mobile devices.

And yes, I know there are work around a on some devices like android like downloading .apks, but most teenagers have iPhones where this is not possible and subscription fees would make this pointless anyway.

Pornography is most likely where people like teenagers know how to sexually assault someone. If you remove the pornographers nature of their lives they will no longer be able to commit a sexual assault until they have actually had sexual intercourse .

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  1. Age checks are impractical. How would they propose to do it?
  2. Introducing fees is impractical. How would you impose those fees - as a tax?
  3. Where there are horny people, there be porn. Horny people make and watch porn, and even if it just gets shared privately it'll just go deeper underground where it can do more harm.

The answer is education, not restriction.
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  1. Age checks are impractical. How would they propose to do it?
  2. Introducing fees is impractical. How would you impose those fees - as a tax?
  3. Where there are horny people, there be porn. Horny people make and watch porn, and even if it just gets shared privately it'll just go deeper underground where it can do more harm.

The answer is education, not restriction.
No, the fees would be imposed via the app as law would make it that in order for a pornography website to be allowed in the UK they must charge fees. Not necesssarily tax for the government.

What education are we talking about ?
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Moronic.

If you ban it, you just push it underground.

Porn will never go away. It's one of the defining parts of human society, and the reason various forms of media are successful.

You might as well try to ban oxygen.
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No, the fees would be imposed via the app as law would make it that in order for a pornography website to be allowed in the UK they must charge fees. Not necesssarily tax for the government.

What education are we talking about ?
"...the fees would be imposed via the app..." So... you'd mandate that all sites (FFS not everyone uses phones for everything) charge a fee, including the ones that (a) aren't based in the UK and (b) are established on freedom? What about the ones like Pornhub, which are founded on user-generated content? You're nearly as behind on technology and the Internet as the government itself.

Do you not have any common sense? What education do you think we're talking about? More openness in sex education. Discuss fetishes and masturbation and scenarios in which more than two people are involved. Don't treat it as normal, necessarily, but as something that happens. The importance of consent. And teach them about pornography.

My thoughts on porn are pretty much opposite to yours probably. Kids are going to get on porn anyway, just like they do now - just like we did when I was a kid many years ago. They'll either steal access to someone else's account, or a parent will let give them access. You might as well legalize underage access to pornography - maybe down to the age of fourteen or so (two years before consent seems reasonable) - while (of course) retaining the current (18+) age limitations for being in it. And make it safe.
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Moronic.

If you ban it, you just push it underground.

Porn will never go away. It's one of the defining parts of human society, and the reason various forms of media are successful.

You might as well try to ban oxygen.
I never said ban it, I’m restricting it . Not banning it completely. That would do more harm than good
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Won't work in the slightest. If something is free, and you suddenly start charging for it, most people will simply look for a free alternative. What you'll simply end up with is young people having to go out of their way to find porn, most likely from dodgy sources, as a result of it not being as easily accessible.

There's also a fundamental flaw in the logic here. Porn is not the issue. The issue is with children's morals, thinking it's alright to sexually assault others. Even without porn children will become curious. It's the whole reason we have sexual education in primary schools, to try and better educate children.

There's also a lot of other issues here. For example, app stores on the whole aren't a problem and aren't providing porn to millions of children. Removing mobile access doesn't work, they can simply use a desktop browser mode or use a laptop. Most children don't have iPhones, plenty have Android devices too. If we're going to pretend phones are the problem, then smartphones shouldn't be accessible to children. I also don't know anyone that would go to the trouble or downloading an app or installing an apk to get porn.

The real issues here are exposure through social media and moral development.

Also do you have a link to the article? "A recent surge in sexual assaults at schools" is fairly broad.
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I never said ban it, I’m restricting it .
And that's because - as per usual - you've got no idea what you're talking about, and just spout the first bit of garbage that springs to mind.
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"...the fees would be imposed via the app..." So... you'd mandate that all sites (FFS not everyone uses phones for everything) charge a fee, including the ones that (a) aren't based in the UK and (b) are established on freedom? What about the ones like Pornhub, which are founded on user-generated content? You're nearly as behind on technology and the Internet as the government itself.

Do you not have any common sense? What education do you think we're talking about? More openness in sex education. Discuss fetishes and masturbation and scenarios in which more than two people are involved. Don't treat it as normal, necessarily, but as something that happens. The importance of consent. And teach them about pornography.

My thoughts on porn are pretty much opposite to yours probably. Kids are going to get on porn anyway, just like they do now - just like we did when I was a kid many years ago. They'll either steal access to someone else's account, or a parent will let give them access. You might as well legalize underage access to pornography - maybe down to the age of fourteen or so (two years before consent seems reasonable) - while (of course) retaining the current (18+) age limitations for being in it. And make it safe.
I imagine if you did a survey on which device do people warn porn on the most it is a mobile phone or tablet . Especially younger people. Whose parents would pay for their children to access porn , that seems a bit extreme . In my experience as a 15 year old, sex education in schools doesn’t tend to work because no one takes it seriously. Sex education should be improved because it literally talks about sex and that it is and only one type .

Legalising would set a dangerous precedent. It would n’t serve much purpose as that age group would be able to access it anyway. Maybe legalise it for 16 year olds but still, that would go against many parents beliefs that pornography is not okay.

And you say people would just use magazines? Perhaps there is a solution to that too, keep them in lock cupboards behind the counter like cigarettes. The added embarrassment of asking for a pornographic magazine would reduce the likeliness of them being bought.

And there will always be undergound methods of getting restricted items, but the benefit of being porn is that it is more embarrassing than asking for marijuana or something . I’m not Exactly sure we’lol see porn dealers somehow .
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And that's because - as per usual - you've got no idea what you're talking about, and just spout the first bit of garbage that springs to mind.
Hey, this is simply a thought , I’m not proposing a bill here . I never said I even wanted it to be a law
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There’s no porn apps that I’m aware of.
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Won't work in the slightest. If something is free, and you suddenly start charging for it, most people will simply look for a free alternative. What you'll simply end up with is young people having to go out of their way to find porn, most likely from dodgy sources, as a result of it not being as easily accessible.

There's also a fundamental flaw in the logic here. Porn is not the issue. The issue is with children's morals, thinking it's alright to sexually assault others. Even without porn children will become curious. It's the whole reason we have sexual education in primary schools, to try and better educate children.

There's also a lot of other issues here. For example, app stores on the whole aren't a problem and aren't providing porn to millions of children. Removing mobile access doesn't work, they can simply use a desktop browser mode or use a laptop. Most children don't have iPhones, plenty have Android devices too. If we're going to pretend phones are the problem, then smartphones shouldn't be accessible to children. I also don't know anyone that would go to the trouble or downloading an app or installing an apk to get porn.

The real issues here are exposure through social media and moral development.

Also do you have a link to the article? "A recent surge in sexual assaults at schools" is fairly broad.
Read whole page Boy convicted of sex assault on pupil allowed back to school http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-47201828

Of course they are the real issues. But how do you propose changing morality ? You can’t instil religion into people like perhaps once upon a time. I’m in favour of bringing back morality but I dont know how we can do that . and I am in favour of perhaps restricting children’s access to social media but that would probably cause a whole host of problems
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There’s no porn apps
There are some apps that enable the facilitation of porn . I don’t use pornography so I would never have the need

As I said you could simply introduce checks on porn websites that would check if it was running on a mobile device, like some kind of specification check, if they were using a mobile processor for example it would flag that up and block it . And I know for us tech savvy people there are plenty of ways that would potentially block content on other devices or enable them but the average teen does not have the knowledge to do that instantly
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There are some apps that enable the facilitation of porn . I don’t use pornography so I would never have the need
That’s not a porn app though is it?


I’d just use a laptop or desktop to get my naughty videos then.
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That’s not a porn app though is it?


I’d just use a laptop or desktop to get my naughty videos then.
But by introducing a subscription based fee for services then if you were a young teenage boy whose only receiving pocket money and doesn’t have a credit or debit card then then this will be a problem. And it’s also easier to get caught using a desktop or laptop .
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But by introducing a subscription based fee for services then if you were a young teenage boy whose only receiving pocket money and doesn’t have a credit or debit card then then this will be a problem. And it’s also easier to get caught using a desktop or laptop .
You have crazy ideas that wont work in the slightest.

There were sexual assaults before the internet.
What about all the sites that are free and not based in the UK?
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You have crazy ideas that wont work in the slightest.

There were sexual assaults before the internet.
What about all the sites that are free and not based in the UK?
Hence why I said in order for a site to operate in the UK, whether it be based in the UK or not , a subscription based fee should be introduced. And I am specifically talking about teenagers commiting sexual assualts. Which has drastically increased in recent years as you can see in that article .

We should also combat this culture , perhaps discourage teenage relationships
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Lol ignore these people trying to punch holes in your ideas. Even if they won’t happen, at least you actually think of something. But yeah I agree, there are 13yr olds at my school who watch it and I don’t think people realise that it’s violent and when they talk about ‘fcuking girls’ they sound horrible. I mean I’m scared for them...they’re children!!
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Lol ignore these people trying to punch holes in your ideas. Even if they won’t happen, at least you actually think of something. But yeah I agree, there are 13yr olds at my school who watch it and I don’t think people realise that it’s violent and when they talk about ‘fcuking girls’ they sound horrible. I mean I’m scared for them...they’re children!!
Thank you, pornography is disgusting and i think there should definitely be a ban on violent pornographic videos. There is no morality in pornography and the fact that in many cases the women in the videos are actually being abused . I’m proud to say as a 15 year old I do not watch porn and the few odd times I have I have been utterly disgusted and had to turn it off. It is a generational problem , and it needs to be combated in the home and also schools need to do more . A boy in my school sexually assaulted a girl from our school on a bus and even though I presume he was put on the Sex offenders register as police got involved within three days he was back.
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Lol ignore these people trying to punch holes in your ideas. Even if they won’t happen, at least you actually think of something. But yeah I agree, there are 13yr olds at my school who watch it and I don’t think people realise that it’s violent and when they talk about ‘fcuking girls’ they sound horrible. I mean I’m scared for them...they’re children!!
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