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Synthetic alcohol – would you drink it?

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Original post by fountain83
Correct i don’t much about brewing. All am looking for is a form of alcohol that doesn’t cause liver damage and one that available in the bar. The synthetic stuff by Nutt sounds ideal.
If you drink in amounts that are not unhealthy, your liver isn't in any danger. In which case you probably have a problem already.
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Original post by Tootles
If you drink in amounts that are not unhealthy, your liver isn't in any danger. In which case you probably have a problem already.

you'd be surprised how sometimes normal drinking can make you unhealthy especially if you've done for a while. Not a problem when your 25 but as you get older it can.
Switching to the synethic will help such people and future generations. So Nutt's forumla could be considered progress.
Original post by fountain83
you'd be surprised how sometimes normal drinking can make you unhealthy especially if you've done for a while. Not a problem when your 25 but as you get older it can.
Switching to the synethic will help such people and future generations. So Nutt's forumla could be considered progress.



Not for me.
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he actually looks a bit like David Nutt lol
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Original post by londonmyst
I'm skeptical of his sanity; given his near constant comments over the years about legalising cannabis and ecstasy.
Legalising those two is an eminently sensible policy.
In fact, having all drugs legal but tightly controlled is the way forward.
It might not reduce consumption but it would ensure quality take it out of the hands of violent criminals. The income to the state would be massive - some of which could go towards education, treatment and rehabilitation (the Medellin cartel alone had an income of up to $20 billion a year at its height).

Prohibition does not work. It is counter-productive. Anyone with functioning critical faculties knows that.
Original post by fountain83

Google David Nutt for more information

David Nutt has a better understanding of drugs than all of the governments we've had in the past decade or two. His name is pretty much enough to sell me on this.
I'm not a fan of benzos or secret formulas so i think i'll stick to the weed and shrooms.
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Original post by Mactotaur
David Nutt has a better understanding of drugs than all of the governments we've had in the past decade or two. His name is pretty much enough to sell me on this.

Correct I agree with you.

This new alcohol will be a safer way to get drunk.
It is also possible to have an antidote which sobers you up straight away (that would also be a drink form so it’s your final drink of the night if you want to sober up) . Even if you don’t you can only get a maximum dosage after which your next drink merely maintains your current level of drunkenness.

All the fun without the downsides is scientific progress.
Original post by fountain83
Correct I agree with you.

This new alcohol will be a safer way to get drunk.
It is also possible to have an antidote which sobers you up straight away (that would also be a drink form so it’s your final drink of the night if you want to sober up) . Even if you don’t you can only get a maximum dosage after which your next drink merely maintains your current level of drunkenness.

All the fun without the downsides is scientific progress.

What is it though? I like to know what i'm taking.
Original post by QE2
Legalising those two is an eminently sensible policy.
In fact, having all drugs legal but tightly controlled is the way forward.
It might not reduce consumption but it would ensure quality take it out of the hands of violent criminals. The income to the state would be massive - some of which could go towards education, treatment and rehabilitation (the Medellin cartel alone had an income of up to $20 billion a year at its height).

Prohibition does not work. It is counter-productive. Anyone with functioning critical faculties knows that.


I'm very familiar with the legalisation argument, for narcotics and brothel prostitution.
I spent almost two decades hearing my father, mother and most of their anarchist/revolutionary socialist pals screaming it.
If you were talking about abolishing/reducing the age limit for alcohol, I would agree.

Legalisation could bring in large sums in both revenue and taxation.
But it would also massively expand legally available supply, likely mean that such substances would be available for all adults to buy on the high street and reverse the clear message prevalent in Britain for many decades that the recreational consumption of these drugs is not safe or socially acceptable.

At the very least, the law exists to serve three purposes- protect, punish and draw a very clear line in the sand that within a country some things are strictly off limits.
For example- incest amongst consenting adults, cannibalism with no murder involved, possession of an illegal machine gun by a civilian without a licence.
Legalisation of all drugs would risk absolute mayhem and likely lead to a more widespread drug problem- more addicts, more overdoses, more drug related side affects amongst law abiding persons who would never have considered consuming illegal drugs.
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Original post by the beer
What is it though? I like to know what i'm taking.

The patent is guarded secret until it’s released. You will know what you’re taking when it’s on general sale because it will be out of the bag by then and on the side of every bottle. Also will have been announced in the press long before that.

Basic answer is that it will be a derivative of other drugs and the molecule will occupy the synapse in a similar way that regular alcohol does. Alcohol affects the synapse and prevents it from firing correctly thus slowing down the brain and affecting it. Short answer is “inebriates” the user.

Nutt has tried hundreds of compounds to try and mimic the effects of regular alcohol as close as possible. I’m guessing he found the sweet spot of something that is both safe and close in effect to the real alcohol.
Original post by fountain83
The patent is guarded secret until it’s released. You will know what you’re taking when it’s on general sale because it will be out of the bag by then and on the side of every bottle. Also will have been announced in the press long before that.

Basic answer is that it will be a derivative of other drugs and the molecule will occupy the synapse in a similar way that regular alcohol does. Alcohol affects the synapse and prevents it from firing correctly thus slowing down the brain and affecting it. Short answer is “inebriates” the user.

Nutt has tried hundreds of compounds to try and mimic the effects of regular alcohol as close as possible. I’m guessing he found the sweet spot of something that is both safe and close in effect to the real alcohol.

I know he spent a long time playing with benzos which doesn't fill me with confidence.
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Original post by the beer
I know he spent a long time playing with benzos which doesn't fill me with confidence.

sometimes the only dangerous thing about a substance is the dosage.

I imagine it will be derivative but it will have to be powerful enough to have an effect on the brain and feel like drunkenness. Drugs such as Nicotine and Caffeine are not powerful enough to change a persons behaviour or ability to function. (you can drive a car after a cigarette or a cup of coffee)

Current alcohol is very damaging but no one gives it a 2nd thought .
I am a teetotaller so no thanks :smile:
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Original post by batter mix
I am a teetotaller so no thanks :smile:

obviously teetoallers wouldn't touch the stuff lol. :-)
Original post by fountain83

Current alcohol is very damaging but no one gives it a 2nd thought .

True, but there are already perfectly good alternatives that are much safer.
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Original post by the beer
True, but there are already perfectly good alternatives that are much safer.

what are these alternatives?? I've not seen my local bar selling any.
Original post by fountain83
what are these alternatives?? I've not seen my local bar selling any.

Well no not in this country, but i think we are far more likely to see those tried and tested alternatives available here than this new mystery chemical.
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Original post by the beer
Well no not in this country, but i think we are far more likely to see those tried and tested alternatives available here than this new mystery chemical.

But what actually are they? The one I was talking about could be in the pubs and bars by 2022 according the report.
Original post by fountain83
But what actually are they? The one I was talking about could be in the pubs and bars by 2022 according the report.

Cannabis, MDMA, magic mushhrooms....
Why would this new drug be allowed to be sold openly when we don't allow those?

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