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(Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
It should be returned to her because I believe she's currently stateless, not because of the fact that she was apparently brainwashed at 15. She was old enough to know right from wrong and until recently, she's 19 now, was making comments about how she doesn't regret anything and how she enjoyed living in IS where seeing human heads in the bin was just part and parcel of everyday life.

That being said, no one should be left stateless, regardless of what they've done.
I'm not an expert in law, but from what I've read, Bangladesh could be obligated to accept her because of her mother. She won't be rendered stateless either way without sanctions of some sort being imposed on the UK or Bangladesh. She may even be able to get citizenship in The Netherlands because of her husband.
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I disagree with your opinion.

Isis wife is not "asking for help".
She is demanding sympathy and readmission to Britain
Plus casual acceptance of her vile criminality, exhibitionism and opportunistic nature.
Along with the automatic right to access all the benefits of the very society that she and her fellow members of isis-daesh set out to destroy.

She is an unrepentant member of isis-daesh and must never be allowed to set foot in Britain or British territories.
I wish the media would stop providing her with access to the oxygen of publicity and wish they would focus on telling the stories of the many innocent, law abiding people whose lives have been destroyed by members of the terror group and its many affiliated factions.
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(Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
Hasn't Bangladesh already stated that they want nothing to do with her?
Yes they have based on the fact that she never actually visited Bangladesh and another reason, I can’t quite remem..
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Well I am happy they revoked her citizenship tbh, she could be a security threat to Britian and man she made her bed once she left.
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(Original post by Everglow)
I'm not an expert in law, but from what I've read, Bangladesh could be obligated to accept her because of her mother. She won't be rendered stateless either way without sanctions of some sort being imposed on the UK or Bangladesh. She may even be able to get citizenship in The Netherlands because of her husband.
I should perhaps clarify my position: if every other possible avenue for her gaining citizenship, (be it in Bangladesh, Holland etc.) conclusively fails then the UK will undoubtedly have to give it back to her.
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I'm not claiming to support her, but I feel like the government needs to standardise its approach to young people. It can't pick and choose who it deems old enough to be making their own decision.

The voting age is 18 because they don't think anyone under that age is capable of knowing their own mind enough to make that kind of decision. Yet a 15 year old girl who was groomed by people who are experts at grooming apparently knew exactly what she was doing and should be held accountable for her actions? What about the police and teachers who knew she was being groomed and did nothing to protect her? Where is their accountability?

On top of that, what's the point of having de-radicalisation programmes if we're not going to use them? And is our justice system incapable of dealing justice for her crimes?
The whole age thing is messed up.Yeah she might not have been able to vote but she could have sex or get married in a few months.On the other hand she wouldn't be able to watch porn until 18 despite being able to do it at 16.It's inconsistent and really irrelevant to this case.15 is old enough to know better.4 years ago all anybody was talking about on the news was Isis.They were frequently releasing videos of them beheading or burning people.You don't need police or teachers to tell you joining them is a bad idea unless you are somewhat evil yourself.15 is old enough to know that killing people is wrong and that's all you need to know really.
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15 is old enough to decipher right from wrong. Plus she is 19 now and still stands by her decison.

People are responsible for their actions. Don’t blame the police or teachers for this. We do use our de-radicalisation programmes. The issue with the justice system is proving she committing any tangible crime beyond joining and aiding a terror group ans fraud, even if everybody knows deep down that she did.
Of course, because a 15 year old child who was groomed and then spent 4 years being brain washed by that same organisation is going to think the way you want her to.

The teachers and the police do have a measure of responsibility there, whether you want them to or not. Ive spoken to police who readily agree with this. The system failed her. Yes, she must take responsibility and submit herself to justice, but that doesn't change the fact that the system failed a vulnerable child. And we're clearly not using our de-radicalisation programme if at the first opportunity to do so, we strip them of their citizenship.
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She was a vunerable 15 year old girl who this country and her family failed to protect from the influence of Islamic state.
Young girls are very easily influenced, especially by men promising a better life. It is clear that she was brainwashed and groomed. Religion is powerful, she believes that this world is a complete lie and it’s the world after that is important.
She is now asking for help and to get out of the situation she is in and she gets her citizenship revoked?? So she is now stateless which is illegal, with a new born child and no one to support her.
I’m by no means justifying her decision to become an I.S. Bride. I am asking for her to be shown a little mercy. As I believe she is no great threat to this country so long as she is monitored and de radicalised. I am a similar age to her and I just want her to be returned to her family. Despite mistakes she has made in the past.
I had a similar feeling and shared this on the other thread about Shamima, but after seeing her interviews on TV, she comes across as remorseless, with an immature and don't care attitude. Talking of attitude, she comes across as having a big one! Who's to say that this isn't all a ploy by IS? She sounds like she's lacking a few brain cells so she could still be under their control because she still thinks they're great people to hang out with. The IS were probably hoping she would have a kid, the soft UK would take her back and then she can commit acts of terror whilst she's over here.
She doesn't come across as fearful or traumatised. She doesn't come across as desperate and she's not crying and pleading to come back because of how dreadful her life is there. Even when she got the letter to say she's not a UK citizen anymore, she seemed not at all phased. I'm having a hard time believing her case.
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(Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
I should perhaps clarify my position: if every other possible avenue for her gaining citizenship, (be it in Bangladesh, Holland etc.) conclusively fails then the UK will undoubtedly have to give it back to her.
I would assume so, although part of me wonders if the burden is more likely to fall onto Bangladesh because the UK cut their ties with her before Bangladesh did. By Bangladeshi law she is entitled to citizenship because of her mother's nationality - so I would think this is much a dilemma for Bangladesh as it is for the UK. But even if she does have to come back to the UK, I wouldn't be worried because she'll almost certainly be prosecuted heavily.
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I had a similar feeling and shared this on the other thread about Shamima, but after seeing her interviews on TV, she comes across as remorseless, with an immature and don't care attitude. Talking of attitude, she comes across as having a big one! Who's to say that this isn't all a ploy by IS? She sounds like she's lacking a few brain cells so she could still be under their control because she still thinks they're great people to hang out with. The IS were probably hoping she would have a kid, the soft UK would take her back and then she can commit acts of terror whilst she's over here.
She doesn't come across as fearful or traumatised. She doesn't come across as desperate and she's not crying and pleading to come back because of how dreadful her life is there. Even when she got the letter to say she's not a UK citizen anymore, she seemed not at all phased. I'm having a hard time believing her case.
Completely right in my opinion.
If she did come across as remorseful she would not have had her citizenship revoked (well I think anyways). And due to her absurd attitude she deserves her citizenship revoked for how she acted and the carelessness she had or even has.
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(Original post by Everglow)
I would assume so, although part of me wonders if the burden is more likely to fall onto Bangladesh because the UK cut their ties with her before Bangladesh did. By Bangladeshi law she is entitled to citizenship because of her mother's nationality - so I would think this is much a dilemma for Bangladesh as it is for the UK. But even if she does have to come back to the UK, I wouldn't be worried because she'll almost certainly be prosecuted heavily.
Except there is really no evidence she did commit violent crime in Syria beyond joining Isis.If she's prosecuted she'll be out in 5 probably.The other week someone got only 1 year for manslaughter.Jails are breeding grounds for extremism and she'd likely come out even more radical.Next thing you know some tube train will get blown sky high.
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Show her a little mercy: what about ISIS showing the Yazidis mercy
In general your points are valid, but that one isn't. We need to demonstrate that we are morally superior to ISIS. If ISIS does something, that doesn't mean it's okay for us to do.
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I just don't understand how people can support her and her actions? She was 15 when she left to join ISIS, and yes 15 is young but it isn't 'i don't know what terrorists are' young. Maybe if she was more remorseful it would be easier to believe she was a victim here, but her presence makes it seem as though she doesn't care. Beheaded people don't faze her. The Manchester bombing was a two way thing. She doesn't regret joining ISIS. She only wants back in because she wants her baby to be cared for. People are using her age and 'innocence' to defend her, but that's no justification. If she comes back she deserves to be arrested. If she's innocent then she can live the rest of her life peacefully. Until them, it probably isn't a good idea to welcome a terrorist's bride back with open arms.... just a thought?
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(Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
It should be returned to her because I believe she's currently stateless, not because of the fact that she was apparently brainwashed at 15. She was old enough to know right from wrong and until recently, she's 19 now, was making comments about how she doesn't regret anything and how she enjoyed living in IS where seeing human heads in the bin was just part and parcel of everyday life.

That being said, no one should be left stateless, regardless of what they've done.
She technically holds Bangladeshi citizenship until the age of 21 (as per Bangladeshi law) in which it is automatically rendered void unless she actively attempts to apply for it. As she holds Bangladeshi citizenship now, and as the UK can only revoke dual citizenship if someone is a dual national or has an easily viable path to dual nationality (it can be argued she has both), the UK can legally revoke her citizenship. She will be rendered legally stateless at the age of 21 if she doesn't apply to keep her Bangladeshi citizenship, but due to her joining a terrorist organization with no regrets (with her suddenly "changing" her mind when she found out the rest of the country hates her), and saying that the Manchester bombings were acceptable, I'm not going to complain. She made her bed, she can lie in it.
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She dabbed on the haters but the haters dabbed back harder.
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Except there is really no evidence she did commit violent crime in Syria beyond joining Isis.If she's prosecuted she'll be out in 5 probably.The other week someone got only 1 year for manslaughter.Jails are breeding grounds for extremism and she'd likely come out even more radical.Next thing you know some tube train will get blown sky high.
Or even worse, she'll end up radicalizing the whole prison too
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@Andrew97 please show me the video of her saying Manchester bombing was justified, she’s not that stupid to say that when she’s trying to convince people that she’s innocent
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@Andrew97 please show me the video of her saying Manchester bombing was justified, she’s not that stupid to say that when she’s trying to convince people that she’s innocent
She didn't say it was justified, but in an interview she said it was a "two way thing" because of how countries bombed Syria.
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Then she may use her learned skills of converting and radicalising on the inmates, and probably be let out in 10 years to resume her extremist activities. Great idea, that :flute:
*sigh* if only we had an efficient death penalty...
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