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M.Phil Philosophy

Hi,

I have a little question and would be grateful if anyone can help.

I'm starting to have dangerous thoughts of applying for the M.Phil in Philosophy at Cambridge in a few months (I know I hardly have a chance seeing as only 15 people are admitted) and was wondering whether the M.Phil offered by the department is of the one or two year variety? (The website and graduate handbook tells me everything BUT this for some reason)

Also; regarding competition and my acknowledgment of a slim chance, how tough is it really to be accepted onto the M.Phil? I've been on a 1:1 average since year one and have the backing of two professors if that helps.

I guess it helps to know how 'slim' this slim chance is really going to be :s-smilie:

Thanks
I'm not a Tab, so I can't offer an educated opinion on the specifics of the course admissions, but I would say very strongly that you have nothing to lose by applying. If you're on for a strong first, write a good statement and have the backing of senior staff then I would say that you have as good a chance as any.

As my supervisor said: 'an amazingly competitive admissions process holds no fear if you're better than the competition'.

BTW, you might like to hop along to the postgrad section with any non-Cambridge specific masters questions. :smile:

Edit: a quick google later, I am 99% sure it's a one year course. A 15,000 word dissertation wouldn't be offered on a 2-year MPhil:

http://www.phil.cam.ac.uk/pros_students/grad_prospectus.html#Course_Details
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IlexAquifolium
I'm not a Tab, so I can't offer an educated opinion on the specifics of the course admissions, but I would say very strongly that you have nothing to lose by applying. If you're on for a strong first, write a good statement and have the backing of senior staff then I would say that you have as good a chance as any.

As my supervisor said: 'an amazingly competitive admissions process holds no fear if you're better than the competition'.

BTW, you might like to hop along to the postgrad section with any non-Cambridge specific masters questions. :smile:

Edit: a quick google later, I am 99% sure it's a one year course. A 15,000 word dissertation wouldn't be offered on a 2-year MPhil:

http://www.phil.cam.ac.uk/pros_students/grad_prospectus.html#Course_Details


Thanks alot for the speedy reply

I too thought it was one-year (as in most universities) but I know that the Oxford equivalent is two-year and such I was a little unsure.

That quote is indeed inspiring! I'm going to give this as good a shot as I possibly can, I'm on for a 76 average this year (second) and I'm hoping to tailor a dissertation specifically to what I would find interesting at M.Phil level (Quantum theory of mind) However, I'm under no delusions that its 'in the bag' but as you say; I stand to gain more from trying than I stand to lose from not trying!

Thanks once again and kudos! :smile:
Oddjob39A
Thanks alot for the speedy reply

I too thought it was one-year (as in most universities) but I know that the Oxford equivalent is two-year and such I was a little unsure.

That quote is indeed inspiring! I'm going to give this as good a shot as I possibly can, I'm on for a 76 average this year (second) and I'm hoping to tailor a dissertation specifically to what I would find interesting at M.Phil level (Quantum theory of mind)

Thanks once again and kudos! :smile:


Genuinely, you sound like a strong candidate. I got onto an Oxford (boo, hiss) programme with a similar academic profile, so don't do yourself down. And certainly apply! I can't stress this enough.

I do thank my supervisor for that one. He was dead right, too. :smile: There's no point being put off by the strength of numbers, because if you're the best, you'll get a place.
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IlexAquifolium
Genuinely, you sound like a strong candidate. I got onto an Oxford (boo, hiss) programme with a similar academic profile, so don't do yourself down. And certainly apply! I can't stress this enough.

I do thank my supervisor for that one. He was dead right, too. :smile: There's no point being put off by the strength of numbers, because if you're the best, you'll get a place.


Yeah, I think I'm going to go for it! Like you, my tutor advised me to give it a shot as, like you, he said I will lose nothing by trying and that he thinks I have a genuine chance (he's an external Phd marker or some such thing for Cambridge so I gather he knows whether I'm good enough etc)

However, saying that, I'm still not going to let myself think I have a chance untill I actually have the acceptance letter, in my hands, in front of my eyes, being read aloud to me by at least 4 objective witnesses and even then I will refuse to relinquish my right to skepticism :p:

Edit: The best will always get the place, it's just discerning whether I'm 'the best' which bothers me!
Oddjob39A
Yeah, I think I'm going to go for it! Like you, my tutor advised me to give it a shot as, like you, he said I will lose nothing by trying and that he thinks I have a genuine chance (he's an external Phd marker or some such thing for Cambridge so I gather he knows whether I'm good enough etc)


Definitely give it a shot if it's somewhere you think you'd enjoy. Again, it's great that you've got staff support, and such people are usually right if they tell you you're in with a strong chance.

Oddjob39A
However, saying that, I'm still not going to let myself think I have a chance untill I actually have the acceptance letter, in my hands, in front of my eyes, being read aloud to me by at least 4 objective witnesses and even then I will refuse to relinquish my right to skepticism :p:

Edit: The best will always get the place, it's just discerning whether I'm 'the best' which bothers me!


I was exactly the same. I was so stone-cold convinced that I wouldn't get the postgrad offer I wanted that I was having pretty much daily collywobbles! In the end I was spoilt for choice, and I'm so glad that I got over my nerves and actually put the application in. You may have trouble with the acceptance letter, though, since I believe Cambridge's PG replies now come online through CAMSIS (correct me if I'm wrong?), so you might have to get people to verify a print-out, instead. :p:

Well, you'll never know whether you're the best unless you apply. There's nothing you can do about it other than put in a strong application and cross your fingers that they like what they see - but if you let assumptions about the other candidates put you off then you'll never know.
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IlexAquifolium
Definitely give it a shot if it's somewhere you think you'd enjoy. Again, it's great that you've got staff support, and such people are usually right if they tell you you're in with a strong chance.

I was exactly the same. I was so stone-cold convinced that I wouldn't get the postgrad offer I wanted that I was having pretty much daily collywobbles! In the end I was spoilt for choice, and I'm so glad that I got over my nerves and actually put the application in. You may have trouble with the acceptance letter, though, since I believe Cambridge's PG replies now come online through CAMSIS (correct me if I'm wrong?), so you might have to get people to verify a print-out, instead. :p:

Well, you'll never know whether you're the best unless you apply. There's nothing you can do about it other than put in a strong application and cross your fingers that you like what you see - but if you let assumptions about the other candidates put you off then you'll never know.


Thanks for all your words of encouragement and advice, you're a star :biggrin:

Sod it, I'm just going to do it, cross my fingers (and feet, toes, hair, nails, teeth, legs, arms, kneck) and hope for the best :redface:
Oddjob39A
Thanks for all your words of encouragement and advice, you're a star :biggrin:

Sod it, I'm just going to do it, cross my fingers (and feet, toes, hair, nails, teeth, legs, arms, kneck) and hope for the best :redface:


You're welcome. In the immortal words of Starsky: 'do it!'
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IlexAquifolium
You're welcome. In the immortal words of Starsky: 'do it!'


I love the way he says that actually :p:

Hmmm, me-wonders whether once could buy a poster of said catchphrase in order to act as something of an old boot-up-the-arse
Reply 9
Hell yeah -- go for it, sir, and best of luck to you! :smile:
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epitome
Hell yeah -- go for it, sir, and best of luck to you! :smile:


I'm going to, thank you both! :biggrin: