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Took those soft melts two years

Something about Nero and Rome burning comes to mind
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On the bright side there wont ever be a Socialist government running this country. This was their one and only chance.
Thats not a positive mate and don't you believe it either. As long as we get a meaningful Brexit the country will soon wake up to the nasty party.
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Happy that a major political party will root to finally give the British people to give their opinion on this botched deal, leaving the EU was terrible for this country, but was a democratic result so would prefer if Brexit was extended to allow for renegotiation of a better deal, though if available would 100% vote to remain

What would happen if we remained in the European Union?
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What would happen if we remained in the European Union?
status quo
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William Hill Bookmakers have just released Election Odds after Labour's 2nd ref revelation and the possibility of Brexit being ignored.

Cons 40%
Brexit Party 14%
Tommy Robinson's UKIP 13%
Jeremy's London Labour Party -.12%
TIG 8%
Lib Dems 4%
West Ham Inter City Firm Party 4%
Green Party 3%
Chelsea Headhunter's Social Democratic Party 2%
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(Original post by BlueIndigoViolet)
status quo
Well short and sweet and probably true, well at least from an elitest perspective anyway it would keep the status quo and keep wealth division growing and the false illusion of economic stability.

Anything else?

Whats next for the European Union, political control, Turkey, national security, EU army?

Also what effect would it have on our democracy?
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Well short and sweet and probably true, well at least from an elitest perspective anyway it would keep the status quo and keep wealth division growing and the false illusion of economic stability.

Anything else?

Whats next for the European Union, political control, Turkey, national security, EU army?

Also what effect would it have on our democracy?
lol understand your frustration too - referendum would do more to break this nation up after which noone would be happy with any outcome - just what i would vote for it there was a vote...
do support closer integration of european states, definite no to turkey (no support in the eu, unlike the ukip posters would have people believe), should have our own security but work very closer with other european nations....
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I've always understood Jeremy Corbyn to be a man of principle who doesn't compromise and doesn't aim to be popular but makes his decisions on what he believes in. This is clearly just to get more support and to get liberals supporting Labour. I am shocked and I would like to find another logical reason to find why Corbyn has gone "rogue" on his supporters and has started doing something that is totally out of character. I am shocked and very dissapointed. You should have known better Comrade Corbyn!
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I've always understood Jeremy Corbyn to be a man of principle who doesn't compromise and doesn't aim to be popular but makes his decisions on what he believes in. This is clearly just to get more support and to get liberals supporting Labour. I am shocked and I would like to find another logical reason to find why Corbyn has gone "rogue" on his supporters and has started doing something that is totally out of character. I am shocked and very dissapointed. You should have known better Comrade Corbyn!
It's more that he's had to give in to what most Labour members and trade unions want, rather than "just to get more support".

There probably is a Remain majority in the country now, so if Labour go into a general election demanding a second referendum, that can only boost them, as it will inspire the membership to work harder and it will present a real alternative to the Tories.
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It's more that he's had to give in to what most Labour members and trade unions want, rather than "just to get more support".

There probably is a Remain majority in the country now, so if Labour go into a general election demanding a second referendum, that can only boost them, as it will inspire the membership to work harder and it will present a real alternative to the Tories.
Still, most people in the country probably believe there is a threat of antisemitism in the party but they would still get voted in.
Corbyn has been anti EU his whole life. I am dissapointed to say the least he has gone against his principles for the sake of Blairites who are raping the party.
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Still, most people in the country probably believe there is a threat of antisemitism in the party but they would still get voted in.
Corbyn has been anti EU his whole life. I am dissapointed to say the least he has gone against his principles for the sake of Blairites who are raping the party.
You're a bit behind the times - it isn't the Blairites who have pushed him into this, it's Momentum and the broadly left side of the party coming around to the same view as the older right wing types.

The antisemitism stuff is exaggerated and distorted. There is a power struggle going on between the PR agencies and allies of the Likud in Israel and their friends around the world, who seek to equate anti-Zionism or criticism of the conduct or racist attitudes of Israel with anti-semitism. This is the line on one side. On the other side, there are some people, especially Muslims (and people in Labour and some other parties willing to kowtow to their line to win their votes) who have accepted anti-semitism into everyday discourse as a side effect of their hatred for Israel. The two are equally obnoxious, but a lot of the name calling against the second group comes from the first group, whose motives are hardly noble.
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lol understand your frustration too - referendum would do more to break this nation up after which noone would be happy with any outcome - just what i would vote for it there was a vote...
do support closer integration of european states, definite no to turkey (no support in the eu, unlike the ukip posters would have people believe), should have our own security but work very closer with other european nations....
Really? I think you might be wrong there mate, I think Turkey would of been a member of the European Union has Brexit not happened.

I agree no to turkey and I also agree a referendum would do more to break this nation up after which noone would be happy with any outcome all that it would achieve is to add yet more debt for my children and grand children to pay off.

We have a choice to make change or carry on down a broken path, today we have added debt our young people are going to pay off. What will happen to normal UK citizens if we don't grab the steering wheel and make change, and believe me the change does not stop with Brexit
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You're a bit behind the times - it isn't the Blairites who have pushed him into this, it's Momentum and the broadly left side of the party coming around to the same view as the older right wing types.

The antisemitism stuff is exaggerated and distorted. There is a power struggle going on between the PR agencies and allies of the Likud in Israel and their friends around the world, who seek to equate anti-Zionism or criticism of the conduct or racist attitudes of Israel with anti-semitism. This is the line on one side. On the other side, there are some people, especially Muslims (and people in Labour and some other parties willing to kowtow to their line to win their votes) who have accepted anti-semitism into everyday discourse as a side effect of their hatred for Israel. The two are equally obnoxious, but a lot of the name calling against the second group comes from the first group, whose motives are hardly noble.
Yes antisemitism is obviously exaggerated but it is still concerning to moderates who don't know the full picture.

If you ask me its to prevent anyone else leaving the party, that's the only reaosn why he's done it.
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You're a bit behind the times - it isn't the Blairites who have pushed him into this, it's Momentum and the broadly left side of the party coming around to the same view as the older right wing types.

The antisemitism stuff is exaggerated and distorted. There is a power struggle going on between the PR agencies and allies of the Likud in Israel and their friends around the world, who seek to equate anti-Zionism or criticism of the conduct or racist attitudes of Israel with anti-semitism. This is the line on one side. On the other side, there are some people, especially Muslims (and people in Labour and some other parties willing to kowtow to their line to win their votes) who have accepted anti-semitism into everyday discourse as a side effect of their hatred for Israel. The two are equally obnoxious, but a lot of the name calling against the second group comes from the first group, whose motives are hardly noble.
The antisemitism does not exist, its a smoke and mirrors story to divert attention.

A few people whom have made their life's work fighting social injustices and prejudice are being accused of prejudices by a few loose moraled politically motivated people
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Really? I think you might be wrong there mate, I think Turkey would of been a member of the European Union has Brexit not happened.

I agree no to turkey and I also agree a referendum would do more to break this nation up after which noone would be happy with any outcome all that it would achieve is to add yet more debt for my children and grand children to pay off.

We have a choice to make change or carry on down a broken path, today we have added debt our young people are going to pay off. What will happen to normal UK citizens if we don't grab the steering wheel and make change, and believe me the change does not stop with Brexit
(Original post by Burton Bridge)
Well short and sweet and probably true, well at least from an elitest perspective anyway it would keep the status quo and keep wealth division growing and the false illusion of economic stability.

Anything else?

Whats next for the European Union, political control, Turkey, national security, EU army?

Also what effect would it have on our democracy?
Turkey will never join the EU. The EU just wouldn't let it happen. Turkey would be the biggest country in the EU not only in terms of size but also in terms of population, just a million behind Germany, meaning Turkish politicians would influence the EU much more than they'd want. Not to mention Turkey has only opened and completed 8 of the EU's 30 odd chapters. I can't see Turkey joining soon. It will be a country in the balkans/eastern europe, most likely Albania or Serbia.

Not to metnion turkey borders iraq and other middle eastern countries. You really think the EU would let a member state border these countries when they can't even control immigration as it is? as it is millions of syrians are in turkey.
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It's more that he's had to give in to what most Labour members and trade unions want, rather than "just to get more support".

There probably is a Remain majority in the country now, so if Labour go into a general election demanding a second referendum, that can only boost them, as it will inspire the membership to work harder and it will present a real alternative to the Tories.
There probably is a Remain majority in the country now,


Possibly, but it's the northern town constituencies that still favour leave and Labour needs those more than extra votes in the remain areas they already hold.
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The antisemitism does not exist, its a smoke and mirrors story to divert attention.

A few people whom have made their life's work fighting social injustices and prejudice are being accused of prejudices by a few loose moraled politically motivated people
i'm just a bit iffy about how many now consider any criticism of Israel itself as antisemitic....
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i'm just a bit iffy about how many now consider any criticism of Israel itself as antisemitic....
100% agree, I've said my bit on this in this topic post #303

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...811794&page=16
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Turkey will never join the EU. The EU just wouldn't let it happen. Turkey would be the biggest country in the EU not only in terms of size but also in terms of population, just a million behind Germany, meaning Turkish politicians would influence the EU much more than they'd want. Not to mention Turkey has only opened and completed 8 of the EU's 30 odd chapters. I can't see Turkey joining soon. It will be a country in the balkans/eastern europe, most likely Albania or Serbia.

Not to metnion turkey borders iraq and other middle eastern countries. You really think the EU would let a member state border these countries when they can't even control immigration as it is? as it is millions of syrians are in turkey.
I am more than aware of the geographical location of Turkey. We are simply going to have to agree to differ mate, non of us know what would of happened had Brexit not of happened we both just have our opinion's you may be correct, I may be correct
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This is beautiful. Labour's inefficient seat distribution means that while this may well increase the average London labour majority by 10,000, it will cost them a boatload of marginals.
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