Tommy Robinson is banned from facebook and Insta Watch

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Best news I heard all day
no, it's not good news because of this ban the drunken little thug will become a martyr to his followers. The reason why his account was ban because his posts broke Facebook and Instagram rules.
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couldn't care less tbh. kinda surprising news tho
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This is exactly the kind of response he wants
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It's ironic that you accuse others of lack of independent thought while resorting to the predictable victimhood narrative that has become characteristic of easily outraged and effete modern right. Freedom of speech does not include the right to have your stuff hosted on someone else's web server.
Tommy Robinson's story is not a "narrative" of victimhood, but its actuality. The man has been imprisoned for months, held in solitary confinement, after a trial in which the judiciary itself now admits was a miscarriage of justice. He is hounded and pilloried by the press and broadcast media as the most hated man in Britain, and has every social media platform withdrawn from him. A hit piece by the BBC is about to hit our screens.

Now, you may say he totally deserves it, brings it all on himself, that you have absolutely no sympathy. Fair enough. But anyone with a scintilla of intellectual honesty would acknowledge that this is not a mere "narrative."

(In the current technological climate freedom of speech categorically DOES include the right to have your stuff hosted on some capitalist's platform. But this will change. Other platforms will eventually emerge. And as a leftist you should applaud any breakup of this capitalist cartel, of which I am amazed that you approve.

But it is only because the "victim" of this capricious whim is someone with whose political views you disagree. It would be another matter if it were you, or a individual or group you supported politically. Well, it WILL be you next if this situation doesn't change, think on that).
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"According to Facebook, a written warning had been sent to Mr Robinson last month about a number of posts on his page that had violated its community standards, including:


  • a post calling Muslims "filthy scum bags"
  • a post urging people to terrorise and behead those who follow the Koran
  • a post urging people to "make war" on Muslims
  • multiple videos depicting individuals being bullied"

So basically his page was a cesspit which Facebook decided they didn't want on their website.
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(Original post by SHallowvale)
"According to Facebook, a written warning had been sent to Mr Robinson last month about a number of posts on his page that had violated its community standards, including:


  • a post calling Muslims "filthy scum bags"
  • a post urging people to terrorise and behead those who follow the Koran
  • a post urging people to "make war" on Muslims
  • multiple videos depicting individuals being bullied"

So basically his page was a cesspit which Facebook decided they didn't want on their website.
You will need to prove that HE wrote those posts, for me to regard the removal as justified. As things stand I am calling bull$hit.

Other people may have made such posts, but then I have read such stuff all over the web, including even on this very website. Maybe TSR should get taken down as well?
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You will need to prove that HE wrote those posts, for me to regard the removal as justified. As things stand I am calling bull$hit.

Other people may have made such posts, but then I have read such stuff all over the web, including even on this very website. Maybe TSR should get taken down as well?
Well his account has been banned now, so... 😂
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Well his account has been banned now, so... 😂
You do realise that he will find other means to propagate his message, right?
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Other platforms will eventually emerge. And as a leftist you should applaud any breakup of this capitalist cartel.
Surely this banning can only help to bring in other platforms and the break up of facebook?
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You do realise that he will find other means to propagate his message, right?
Yes? I just take no issue with Facebook from banning his material. It's not fit for that site.
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Another dreary thread full of the usual dull as ditch water progressives and leftists with absolutely nothing of interest to say. The lack of independent thought or nuance is astounding.

No-one on here questions whether property rights should trample people's rights. How an oligopoly of a few giant capitalist corporations should be allowed to censor and stymie a lone individual's free speech. Let's hear it for capitalism! How extreme right wing of you all.

Not does it occur to anyone that if you don't protect the freedom of speech of those with whom you disagree you eventually won't get to keep it yourself.
It goes both ways.

For decades now the right have championed unfettered, free market capitalism. They have supported the rise and power of these big capitalist beasts. They have resisted any and all attempts to reign in their power, or regulate them and accused anyone who suggested such as being socialist/communist or wanting a nanny state.

Infact only recently the right have supported or been indifferent their tax avoidance, which has cost our public services billions.

So it's rather ironic that you suddenly want to take action when they start doing things you don't like.
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It goes both ways.

For decades now the right have championed unfettered, free market capitalism. They have supported the rise and power of these big capitalist beasts. They have resisted any and all attempts to reign in their power, or regulate them and accused anyone who suggested such as being socialist/communist or wanting a nanny state.

Infact only recently the right have supported or been indifferent their tax avoidance, which has cost our public services billions.

So it's rather ironic that you suddenly want to take action when they start doing things you don't like.
I am a capitalist, and I support the free market. The fact that we have all these tech companies at all, the reason you and I are on this platform talking now is a tribute to capitalism, to the wonders of the free market. A planned economy, the socialist alternative to capitalism would never generate facebook, or iphones or everything we take for granted. Socialism leads to starvation, to Soviet Russia and Cuba and Venuzuela not wealth and comfort and innovation thanks to the free market.

But what we have now is NOT the free market. It is an oligopoly. And like Standard Oil in the nineteenth century the tech cartel needs to be broken up.

That is my position as a capitalist free marketeer. Why do YOU support the tech firms, as currently constituted, as a "progressive", may I ask?
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I am a capitalist, and I support the free market. The fact that we have all these tech companies at all, the reason you and I are on this platform talking now is a tribute to capitalism, to the wonders of the free market. A planned economy, the socialist alternative to capitalism would never generate facebook, or iphones or everything we take for granted. Socialism leads to starvation, to Soviet Russia and Cuba and Venuzuela not wealth and comfort and innovation thanks to the free market.

But what we have now is NOT the free market. It is an oligopoly. And like Standard Oil in the nineteenth century the tech cartel needs to be broken up.

That is my position as a capitalist free marketeer. Why do YOU support the tech firms, as currently constituted, as a "progressive", may I ask?
I'm guessing you've used the NHS before, correct? And I think I recall you saying you went to a state school, you probably went to a state funded university. You've certainly used public roads, you will undoubtedly be grateful that we have a publicly funded police force, army, border agents and a fire service. You no doubt will be grateful that should you fall on hard times, that there is a form of a welfare state to prevent you falling into absolute destitution.

All of which are examples of socialism, however you may try to spin them. I've never said I don't support capitalism, of course I do, a regulated social market version of it . But your life is better because of the above too. There can obviously be a middle point between an authoritarian centrally planned economy and an uber free market in which people die on the streets if they can't afford healthcare. And it's also the case that certain services are better provided by the state, rather than the private sector.

These big corporate beasts are a product of unfettered free market capitalism. The left has been warning for decades about the dangers of allowing corporations to become so big and so powerful that they control public lives and bully governments around. Meanwhile the right has been supporting or turning the other way to their tax avoidance.

You mention we don't have free market capitalism but instead have an oligopoly. Seemingly unaware that the former is what has led to the latter. They are in fact argely the same thing in practice. Unfettered capitalism leads to corporatism, always. You mention the Iphone as an example of capitalism, yet by your own definition, Apple would be part of the oligopoly, not the free market.

Which brings us back to the original point. The right have supported oligopoly continuously over decades and only now that such firms are doing things they don't like, do they say we need to do something. Of course I support these huge corporates being reigned in, more closely regulated and becoming more transparent. Though it's your side of the aisle who have consistently rejected any such attempts to do just that.
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thank the lord
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And so he should be.
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Whilst I don't condone what he does and I believe he is a terrible person, I don't believe he should be banned. This just fuels the belief, true to an extent, that censorship is real. A dangerous precedent.
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I am a capitalist, and I support the free market.
Then you support Facebook's right to remove him from their website.

You don't "break up" large companies in a free market either. It's a free market.
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a lot of people will miss the point - on both sides.

All you will get is -
Its free speech, he shouldn't be banned!
Its a private website, free speech doesn't apply
etc.

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The bigger and more important debate is nothing to do with Tommy Robinson - and everything to do with facebook/twitter. We need to think about how to approach the world where the most important public spaces are owned by private companies. There is a real argument that could be made to suggest that major online social media companies need to be regulated in a much greater way. In my view the way this needs to end up is them remaining private companies, but being regulated so that they have to act like public spaces and abide by normal free-speech and criminal laws.

E.g.
the only way to ban someone would be if they uttered speech that broke the law
a independant appeal body set up for disputes
much greater resources required to be put into cracking down on moderating actual illegal content

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I always thought the stereotype of TSR being an echo chamber for Lefty Liberals was an exagerrated falsehood. Until this thread.

The fake news about what he supposedly has said in here alone is astounding, I am amazed that in this day and age people are still just regurgitating what they have heard elsewhere or on social media without fact checking.

I am no Tommy fan but if you are going to ban him for essentially having far right views, then surely the same must be done of those on the far left - starting with most of Comrade Corbyn's advisors.
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Facebook can choose to ban whoever they wish, so long as they are doing it for justified reasons.

Apparently, Robinson "exposed" the BBC for working with a "Far-Left" organisation to blackmail people into saying certain things, and sometime before he was banned, someone tipped off the Media that he was going to get banned. He uploaded a video to Facebook it seems about this fact (I guess it is, I didn't watch the video), so on and so forth. So the situation is a bit messy.

For all I know, if you talk about the guy, you get banned, and he has not been banned on Youtube at the moment. But it is interesting that there are people who are surprised at Tommy's conduct, he's just another Brit who don't like Sharia. Guess you could say he is a hypocrite, but that is not really my concern, to which I have little of. Tommy dislikes Islam, and my muslim friend's boss does not like black people, because in his own experience, he has just had bad run ins and seen his folk have bad run ins with the black youth population. Go figure.

Its called pattern-recognition induced discriminatory stereotyping. In other words, phobia or prejudice.
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