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Last Wednesday, NYPD arrested a 12-year-old boy for drawing several chalk swastikas and offensive messages on a Queens playground with chalk. The child has since been charged with aggravated harassment, which is a felony in NY. This came following an investigation by the NYPD's Hate Crimes Task Force.

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2019/02...affiti-arrest/

https://nypost.com/2019/02/28/cops-s...queens-school/

“No matter the face of hate, the NYPD, partnered with the community, has ZERO tolerance" Tweeted NYPD Chief of Detectives Dermot Shea following the arrest.

"Face of hate." Talk about overkill. Punish the kid, but don't arrest him and charge him with a felony. Come on. I sincerely doubt this child is a jew-hating Nazi or even fully understood what he was drawing, especially as it looks like he also drew a hammer and sickle (the ideologies obviously conflict). They actually got NYPD detectives involved over crude chalk drawings on a playground that were quite clearly drawn by a child being naughty.

The NYPD should visit the playground in my neighbourhood. The volume of 'colourful' etchings and scribbles on that old jungle gym will keep their Hate Crimes Task Force occupied for months.

There is an obvious mismatch between the scale of what happened and the response it got. I think this is a good example of how police will go overboard to demonstrate how committed they are to tackling hate. All common sense and proportion just goes out the window. Now this kid has an arrest and a felony charge on his record. Imagine if he actually gets convicted.
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Last Wednesday, NYPD arrested a 12-year-old boy for drawing several chalk swastikas and offensive messages on a Queens playground with chalk. The child has since been charged with aggravated harassment, which is a felony in NY. This came following an investigation by the NYPD's Hate Crimes Task Force.

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2019/02...affiti-arrest/

https://nypost.com/2019/02/28/cops-s...queens-school/

“No matter the face of hate, the NYPD, partnered with the community, has ZERO tolerance" Tweeted NYPD Chief of Detectives Dermot Shea following the arrest.

"Face of hate." Talk about overkill. Punish the kid, but don't arrest him and charge him with a felony. Come on. I sincerely doubt this child is a jew-hating Nazi or even fully understood what he was drawing, especially as it looks like he also drew a hammer and sickle (the ideologies obviously conflict). They actually got NYPD detectives involved over crude chalk drawings on a playground that were quite clearly drawn by a child being naughty.

The NYPD should visit the playground in my neighbourhood. The volume of 'colourful' etchings and scribbles on that old jungle gym will keep their Hate Crimes Task Force occupied for months.

There is an obvious mismatch between the scale of what happened and the response it got. I think this is a good example of how police will go overboard to demonstrate how committed they are to tackling hate. All common sense and proportion just goes out the window. Now this kid has an arrest and a felony charge on his record. Imagine if he actually gets convicted.
I believe that there are much more useful things that detectives could be investigating rather than a 12 year old boy drawing. I also believe freedom of speech is being silenced out in the world, yes what the nazis did was wrong, but the child surely has a right to speak up for what he believes in?
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(Original post by Dandaman1)
Last Wednesday, NYPD arrested a 12-year-old boy for drawing several chalk swastikas and offensive messages on a Queens playground with chalk. The child has since been charged with aggravated harassment, which is a felony in NY. This came following an investigation by the NYPD's Hate Crimes Task Force.

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2019/02...affiti-arrest/

https://nypost.com/2019/02/28/cops-s...queens-school/

“No matter the face of hate, the NYPD, partnered with the community, has ZERO tolerance" Tweeted NYPD Chief of Detectives Dermot Shea following the arrest.

"Face of hate." Talk about overkill. Punish the kid, but don't arrest him and charge him with a felony. Come on. I sincerely doubt this child is a jew-hating Nazi or even fully understood what he was drawing, especially as it looks like he also drew a hammer and sickle (the ideologies obviously conflict). They actually got NYPD detectives involved over crude chalk drawings on a playground that were quite clearly drawn by a child being naughty.

The NYPD should visit the playground in my neighbourhood. The volume of 'colourful' etchings and scribbles on that old jungle gym will keep their Hate Crimes Task Force occupied for months.

There is an obvious mismatch between the scale of what happened and the response it got. I think this is a good example of how police will go overboard to demonstrate how committed they are to tackling hate. All common sense and proportion just goes out the window. Now this kid has an arrest and a felony charge on his record. Imagine if he actually gets convicted.
Doesnt sound all innocent to me. Serves him right. Maybe he will get their equivalent of community service and have to scrub graffiti off?

It was just one Swastika it says they were all over.
A custodian discovered the hate-filled messages, which included “Hail Hitler” and “No Jews allowed,” in addition to dozens of swastikas.

Maybe he will think again if hes taken to court. It will probably all get wiped when he becomes an adult.
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I believe that there are much more useful things that detectives could be investigating rather than a 12 year old boy drawing. I also believe freedom of speech is being silenced out in the world, yes what the nazis did was wrong, but the child surely has a right to speak up for what he believes in?
I dont believe its illegal to harrass jews in NY.
I dont believe its legal to deface public/ private property.
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Doesnt sound all innocent to me. Serves him right. Maybe he will get their equivalent of community service and have to scrub graffiti off?

It was just one Swastika it says they were all over.
A custodian discovered the hate-filled messages, which included “Hail Hitler” and “No Jews allowed,” in addition to dozens of swastikas.

Maybe he will think again if hes taken to court. It will probably all get wiped when he becomes an adult.
This is a felony charge, not a misdemeanor. I'm sorry, you don't arrest a 12-year-old over chalk swastikas and "Hail Hitlers" on a playground and charge him with a freaking felony, no matter how many were drawn. You ground him and don't take him to Disney Land. That is the more proportional response.
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This is a felony charge, not a misdemeanor. I'm sorry, you don't arrest a 12-year-old over chalk swastikas and "Hail Hitlers" on a playground and charge him with a freaking felony, no matter how many were drawn. You ground him and don't take him to Disney Land. That is the more proportional response.
Will wait and see what happens. Its NY so not really my concern.
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What a stupid thing to do.
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Non-story. Felony vandalism charges for juveniles are not uncommon in the States, especially when it's a hate crime. This probably happens everyday to poor black kids putting up gang tags. What's so special about this little dipshit?
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(Original post by Dandaman1)
Last Wednesday, NYPD arrested a 12-year-old boy for drawing several chalk swastikas and offensive messages on a Queens playground with chalk. The child has since been charged with aggravated harassment, which is a felony in NY. This came following an investigation by the NYPD's Hate Crimes Task Force.

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2019/02...affiti-arrest/

https://nypost.com/2019/02/28/cops-s...queens-school/

“No matter the face of hate, the NYPD, partnered with the community, has ZERO tolerance" Tweeted NYPD Chief of Detectives Dermot Shea following the arrest.

"Face of hate." Talk about overkill. Punish the kid, but don't arrest him and charge him with a felony. Come on. I sincerely doubt this child is a jew-hating Nazi or even fully understood what he was drawing, especially as it looks like he also drew a hammer and sickle (the ideologies obviously conflict). They actually got NYPD detectives involved over crude chalk drawings on a playground that were quite clearly drawn by a child being naughty.

The NYPD should visit the playground in my neighbourhood. The volume of 'colourful' etchings and scribbles on that old jungle gym will keep their Hate Crimes Task Force occupied for months.

There is an obvious mismatch between the scale of what happened and the response it got. I think this is a good example of how police will go overboard to demonstrate how committed they are to tackling hate. All common sense and proportion just goes out the window. Now this kid has an arrest and a felony charge on his record. Imagine if he actually gets convicted.
From initial viewing of this I don't feel that it was an overeaction or overkill by the police. You're expected to know from right and wrong at the age of 10, so the arrest seems understandable. He also did several markings and offensive messages, so if he was being naughty he deserves what he got for his daftness. Means he's less likely to do it again too.

I feel, however, that the police need to get to the root of the problem as well as just halting it. The child may have been misguided or misinformed, so they need to see where this behaviour's come from, and rectify it from there. It could also help find out why others they'll find have done the same thing.
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This is a felony charge, not a misdemeanor. I'm sorry, you don't arrest a 12-year-old over chalk swastikas and "Hail Hitlers" on a playground and charge him with a freaking felony, no matter how many were drawn. You ground him and don't take him to Disney Land. That is the more proportional response.
At 12 you have a bit of common sense , you think any 12 year old who has learnt about what the Nazi’s did & Hitler would normally do this ? (I get kids graffiti, fairs - this slightly different) perhaps the parents are who are further enabling him to think the swastikas are an acceptable logo therefore I don’t really think the parents are who should discipline him in this situation.
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I used to doodle swastikas when i was in primary school lol
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Non-story. Felony vandalism charges for juveniles are not uncommon in the States, especially when it's a hate crime. This probably happens everyday to poor black kids putting up gang tags. What's so special about this little dipshit?
There's a big difference between a 17 year old and a 12 year old, even though both are technically juveniles. Plus it says in your link it's only likely to be a felony if the damage costs over $400, which some chalk on the ground isn't.

And can you actually find an example of a 12 year old "poor black kid" charged with a felony for "putting up gang tags" (LOL, pretty racist stereotype of you)? If you can than fair enough.
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Non-story. Felony vandalism charges for juveniles are not uncommon in the States, especially when it's a hate crime. This probably happens everyday to poor black kids putting up gang tags. What's so special about this little dipshit?
This wasn't a case of vandalism. It was chalk on a public playground. Besides, vandalism is typically a misdemeanor and only becomes a felony when there is serious damage to property, usually involving a repeat offender. You are comparing apples to oranges and misleading people.

Children shouldn't be charged with felonies over things like this full stop, so citing examples of minors charged with felonies for graffiti (which you haven't actually given) isn't an ethical justification to begin with.
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At 12 you have a bit of common sense , you think any 12 year old who has learnt about what the Nazi’s did & Hitler would normally do this ? (I get kids graffiti, fairs - this slightly different) perhaps the parents are who are further enabling him to think the swastikas are an acceptable logo therefore I don’t really think the parents are who should discipline him in this situation.
His parents are enabling him? You pulled that out of nowhere.

Children draw naughty things. Swastikas aren't uncommon on school tables and jungle gyms. But you give the kid detention and/or make them pay to clean it up - you don't arrest them and charge them with a bloody felony.

Children acting out and trying to be bad will draw all sorts of things, and will often go for the most vulgar (swastikas, penises, etc.) He also draw a hammer and sickle, so I'm not sure he had a good grasp on these ideologies in the first place.
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Nazi stuff is bad.
But arresting a 12-year-old doesn't seem all right.
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There's a big difference between a 17 year old and a 12 year old, even though both are technically juveniles. Plus it says in your link it's only likely to be a felony if the damage costs over $400, which some chalk on the ground isn't.

And can you actually find an example of a 12 year old "poor black kid" charged with a felony for "putting up gang tags" (LOL, pretty racist stereotype of you)? If you can than fair enough.
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This wasn't a case of vandalism. It was chalk on a public playground. Besides, vandalism is typically a misdemeanor and only becomes a felony when there is serious damage to property, usually involving a repeat offender. You are comparing apples to oranges and misleading people.

Children shouldn't be charged with felonies over things like this full stop, so citing examples of minors charged with felonies for graffiti (which you haven't actually given) isn't an ethical justification to begin with.
"The severity of a vandalism charge such as juvenile graffiti depends upon the criminal history of the offender and the amount of property damage. Typically, vandalism charges have a threshold of $400, which determines whether the penalties will be misdemeanor or felony charges. When property damage exceeds $400, prosecutors may pursue felony charges. There are exceptions to this rule. Other misdemeanor charges may become felony charges when gang involvement played a role, when the offender has a criminal record or when the vandalism has hate crime implications. A vandalism felony may be considered as a strike under California’s Three Strikes Law."
https://formerdistrictattorneys.com/graffiti-charge/

"In some situations, graffiti will be charged as a felony offense. This typically applies if the graffiti or vandalism is committed as a hate crime against a person or group of people due to their race, religion, national origin, sexual orientation or disability."
http://www.martinezlawhouston.com/Cr..._Graffiti.aspx

Maybe it doesn't make it ok, but my question stands: What's so special about this little dipshit?
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