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Okay

You are talking about a religion that “tells people that homosexuality is wrong for no other reason than God says so” and is therefore, in your view, ‘backwards’ right?

Okay dokey,
I’ll just leave this here:

You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. (Leviticus 18:22)

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. (Leviticus 20:13)

Let us not be hypocrites now
Congratulations, you have found another backwards religion written in a desert thousands of years ago. Funny how all the religions spawned from that corner of the world share the same crappy values :facepalm2:

I don't follow a religion as I have said, I think for myself. You should try it sometime.
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*when you destroy a liberal
Can confirm I am now a pile of ash, such a shame since now my arms have been cremated I don't have anything to waste my time typing with
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Where is your proof? Anyone can write anything in a book that does not make it true.


(Original post by Khalid_)
There is no such thing as being "gay". You can the Story of Prophet Lut (PBUH) mentioned in The Holy Quran in which he deals with people committing the act of homosexuality in which he sent them a message from Almighty God that what they're doing is sinful, false and should be stopped. In which they did not obey Prophet Lut (PBUH) and did not stop the evil act of homosexuality in which Almighty God destroyed them.
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Congratulations, you have found another backwards religion written in a desert thousands of years ago. Funny how all the religions spawned from that corner of the world share the same crappy values :facepalm2:

I don't follow a religion as I have said, I think for myself. You should try it sometime.
So now nobody should follow religion 😂😂🤭

Backwards with a capital B

The point is that people are scapegoating Muslims and making wild statements about their views and beliefs claiming that they are homophobic and so forth when that isn’t even the case. Despite the fact, that there are thousands of Christians in the UK who are actually homophobic and against LGBT relationships. I find it perplexing how they are not being scrutinised. But a few parents exercise their right to withdraw their children from these lessons and suddenly the whole Muslim community is being labelled and chastised.

But that’s not discriminatory is it? 🧐
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(Original post by liquidconfidence)
Okay

You are talking about a religion that “tells people that homosexuality is wrong for no other reason than God says so” and is therefore, in your view, ‘backwards’ right?

Okay dokey,
I’ll just leave this here:

You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. (Leviticus 18:22)

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. (Leviticus 20:13)

Let us not be hypocrites now..
Slow down tiger.... if you actually read the bible in context instead of picking out verses for the purpose of inflaming an argument you'd actually be using the brain. God said that law was there for a time, meant for CERTAIN people in that time and that it would be fufilled (through Jesus Christ) doesn't apply to the Christian today, it was meant for Jews thousands of years ago yeah? get that in your head.
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Slow down tiger.... if you actually read the bible in context instead of picking out verses for the purpose of inflaming an argument you'd actually be using the brain. God said that law was there for a time, meant for CERTAIN people in that time and that it would be fufilled (through Jesus Christ) doesn't apply to the Christian today, it was meant for Jews thousands of years ago yeah? get that in your head.
Apply that same logic when thinking about Islam, tiger.
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But the majority of Muslims are not accepting, and all muslim majority countries being gay is illegal and quite a lot you can be stoned or killed.

I've known a few muslim lgbt people and all of them hide who they're from other muslims and their families.

The thing is that if you can't accept gay etc people then why would you be in a country that disagrees with you, why not go back to the country you originate from.
"If u can't accept gay etc people then why wud u be in a country that disagrees with u"
So r u saying that every single person in england (not including muslims) accept gay people? Accept people of all racial identities? Even accept women!?
No...there are plenty of non-Muslim homophobic, racist, sexist people out there which is why I said we shudnt generalise people/groups

That doesn't mean we shud just Chuck out all those people tho
I mean, I don't know about u, but I wud rather have all those people who hate lgbtq, who are racist and who are sexist integrated into this country and other countries rather than separating them into one hateful country...u know why?
Becuz in this country, no matter how much they hate whatever particular group they hate, they can't do anything about it
They can't go and kill them or beat them, etc and if they do, they'll be put in jail with all the other criminals
If there was one country full of all the hate, there wud probably be war...

U see what I'm trying to get at?
Like, I get what u mean, but a lot of us muslims are born in uk...everyone's going to have a view about something so we shud just get over it and educate the uneducated about respect becuz clearly, a lot of people don't know about it for some reason
Even muslims, despite the fact we are taught to respect everyone as I've said in one of my posts
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Where is your proof? Anyone can write anything in a book that does not make it true.


(Original post by Khalid_)
There is no such thing as being "gay". You can the Story of Prophet Lut (PBUH) mentioned in The Holy Quran in which he deals with people committing the act of homosexuality in which he sent them a message from Almighty God that what they're doing is sinful, false and should be stopped. In which they did not obey Prophet Lut (PBUH) and did not stop the evil act of homosexuality in which Almighty God destroyed them.
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How is Homosexuality a sin? don't say because its in a book.
(Original post by Rainfall)
Homosexuality is a really big sin but really don’t think it’s fair for Muslims to be hating on people just because of their sexual preference. Because Muslims should be kind and I accept gay people and I’m British Muslim. But there are homophobes in every group
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I have got absolutely no sympathy with you. None at all.

You idiots on the left peddle your cultural relativist nonsense, and your “Islamophobia” boll0cks which leads to the intellectual and political over protection of really wicked Islamic intolerance towards gays, trans people and feminists.

And then you moan at the inevitable consequences.

Ask yourself, as the Muslim population increases (all borders are racist, right?) and becomes more and more influential politically, whose views are going to prevail? Theirs or yours?
Interesting how only now you come to the defense of trans people and feminists but only because Muslims are opposing them.

Also, you can accept the existence/rights of the Muslim community whilst also disagreeing with the opinions of some Muslims/Islam.

Homophobic Muslims should rightfully be called out and challenged. This doesn't mean we should suddenly shut the borders to Muslims though.

Despite the rise of Islam homophobia has consistently declined. I don't quite think Muslims will be much hindrance to LGBT rights.
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As someone who is bisexual and currently training to be a teacher, this really upsets me. I got bullied in school for my sexuality and the reason for this was because my school did not do any awareness around homophobia. As a teacher, I am very open about my sexuality with my students and a lot of them have confided in me about their sexuality.

However, the fact that the school has gotten rid of this program clearly indicates that schools will take the side of homophobic parents over the importance of teaching British values to children. This makes LGBT teachers feel deeply uncomfortable and frankly unsafe to be openly LGBT, which means LGBT students miss out on having queer teachers they can relate to.

Parents have way too much power over schools now.
woah there, i'm sorry you got bullied, that isn't right period and those people who did to you are scum.

However, don't think that you as a teacher have free reign to impose...sorry teach kids whatsoever, if some of them sight a religious objection to learning about what you do in your private life leave them be. Why is that hard? If a teacher was trying to teach me in school that getting seriously drunk and losing my inhibition on a weekend SHOULD be accepted i would stand up leave because i disagree and if i couldn't my parents would because its antithetical to our religious beliefs.
Doesn't mean i'd ever pick a quarrel with a gay person for being gay, that's none of business, doesn't mean i'd ever discriminate or hate gay people, they're normal like i am. We disagree on what hilariously you people claim to be personal life choices.....yet we always end up in a public name and shame debate.
Parents...not schools or the state are ideally responsible for children, period
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(Original post by liquidconfidence)
So now nobody should follow religion 😂😂🤭

Backwards with a capital B

The point is that people are scapegoating Muslims and making wild statements about their views and beliefs claiming that they are homophobic and so forth when that isn’t even the case. Despite the fact, that there are thousands of Christians in the UK who are actually homophobic and against LGBT relationships. I find it perplexing how they are not being scrutinised. But a few parents exercise their right to withdraw their children from these lessons and suddenly the whole Muslim community is being labelled and chastised.

But that’s not discriminatory is it? 🧐
If you had to make a guess, what percentage of Christians do you think are anti gay?
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Oh! it worked. didn't think the parents would win. well done to them:yy:
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If you had to make a guess, what percentage of Christians do you think are anti gay?
Guess? I couldn’t. But according to the BSA (British Social Attitude Survey) in 2013, approximately 33% of Anglicans and other Christians believe that sexual relations between adults of the same sex is ‘always wrong’ or ‘almost always wrong’. The figure was 20% for Catholic’s.
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(Original post by liquidconfidence)
So now nobody should follow religion 😂😂🤭

Backwards with a capital B

The point is that people are scapegoating Muslims and making wild statements about their views and beliefs claiming that they are homophobic and so forth when that isn’t even the case. Despite the fact, that there are thousands of Christians in the UK who are actually homophobic and against LGBT relationships. I find it perplexing how they are not being scrutinised. But a few parents exercise their right to withdraw their children from these lessons and suddenly the whole Muslim community are being labelled and chastised.

But that’s not discriminatory is it? 🧐
People can follow whatever religions they please whether that be Christianity or the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. That is entirely up to them, but they should not force their views on to others and certainly not on to secular education.

This thread is about a Muslim majority secular school where the predominantly Muslim parents are kicking up a fuss about the curriculum that has been taught there for 4 years now. A course that is taught in many schools around the country without issue. So lets keep it on topic and talk about the actual situation going on. If you want to make a thread about Christians or any other religions' general homophobia please be my guest and tag me in and I will discuss it with you at length.

The whole Muslim community is not being labelled or chastised, in my experience most are very accepting of homosexuality and are becoming more so thanks to Western values.

Thankfully the DfE are currently in the process making lessons such as the program devised by Andrew Moffat MBE compulsory in all schools and part of the national curriculum which would make it illegal for parents to withdraw their children. This a step in the right direction to a more tolerant society.
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https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...arent-protests

The most frustrating thing is that many UK Muslims have a real problem with bigotry towards LGBT people, with half believing homosexuality should be illegal.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ity-sharia-law

Sadly removing pupils from lessons which will challenge the views of their parents mean these children will likely share their parent's backwards values.

Of course, a percentage of these pupils will likely be gay themselves and may suffer with the bullying, isolation, mental health problems, suicide attempts, and unhappy relationships that are the norm when you are gay in a socially conservative environment.

It is also entirely self-defeating for the Muslim community. They often complain about being marginalised and discriminated against. Yet they, or at least the more socially conservative among them, are happy to display their intolerance towards LGBT people. As long as they hold such views, Muslims will find it difficult to integrate into British life.
Ok, so for one you claim that Muslims have backward values, such as? Many white English people I know have very backward values. I agree, to a certain extent drawing back to CULTURE, not religion, people do tend to have what we refer to as "backwards" values, such as arranged marriages and in extreme circumstances fgm but I fail to see where the "backwards" part is in Islam,( well aware Im probably going to get QE2 on my back spittng garbage(no offence to QE2, an admirable debater)). Yes, I agree that there is a problem with gay Muslims and rejection and I really do feel that the Ummah has really fallen quite short on this matter. People who are gay cannot change it and they face many problems, especially in Islamic backgrounds, but also Christian and Judish as well.

I'm not really aware of the Muslim community claiming they are being discriminated against, it is true that there is a large amount of racism and anti Islam movements such as Tommy Robinsons movements. Christians and Jews also display their intolerance towards others, in my school it was a Christian who tore down the LGBT flag, wrote a letter to the head and argued with the gay assistant head. And it is completely unacceptable if we as a community can't accept some peoples sexuality, there's nothing we can do about it and if people feel this way and practice not aware that it's wrong in our religion why would we possibly blame them? It's idiotic. Mate, msulims have integrated into British life, in my community and several others there is no problem. As long as Muslims are law abiding citizens they don't have to be socialised by British norms, why should they?
I believe that LGBT tolerance lessons should be taught in schools, because it shows tolerance to kids, and will make them understand THAT THEY CANT HELP IT, make them understand that it is like being punished for feeling pain when you fall over. If the parents want to tell them outside of class however that it is wrong, but we shouldn't do anything about it and we must understand that's fine, but expressed discrimination? No thank you........ Btw
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People can follow whatever religions they please whether that be Christianity or the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. That is entirely up to them, but they should not force their views on to others and certainly not on to secular education.

This thread is about a Muslim majority secular school where the predominantly Muslim parents are kicking up a fuss about the curriculum that has been taught there for 4 years now. A course that is taught in many schools around the country without issue. So lets keep it on topic and talk about the actual situation going on. If you want to make a thread about Christians or any other religions' general homophobia please be my guest and tag me in and I will discuss it with you at length.

The whole Muslim community is not being labelled or chastised, in my experience most are very accepting of homosexuality and are becoming more so thanks to Western values.

Thankfully the DfE are currently in the process making lessons such as the program devised by Andrew Moffat MBE compulsory in all schools and part of the national curriculum which would make it illegal for parents to withdraw their children. This a step in the right direction to a more tolerant society.
Correct. As you stated: ‘most are very accepting of homosexuality’.

So what is your point exactly?
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This is absurd. As hard as it may be, I accept that some people are unable to tolerate LGBT people and their identities, however it is extremely disappointing that the views of homophobic parents are preventing children other than their own from receiving such important education. And yes, I think it is very important to improve the lives of LGBT kids by increasing tolerance amongst their peers and providing them with information which allows them to better understand their own identities.

Sure, if you are a Muslim, or indeed any other parent, who believes in upholding such backwards values, by all means request that your child be removed from the lessons. Hopefully, when they are a little older they will be able to form their own opinions. However, I believe it is wrong to "censor" the curriculum for all pupils, regardless of whether they or their parents are also intolerant or not. I am not religious, and personally I find the whole concept of religion quite funny in many ways, but when people use it as an excuse or motive to negatively impact the lives of others, it becomes far from funny.

I agree with OP's point about the self-defeating nature of the Muslim community in the UK, and I think this episode only provides further ammunition for islamophobes to continue their campaign of hatred. Ultimately the winner here is the far right. Nice one lads.
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Far be it from me to defend nutty religious divisive views, but singling out Islam is just stoking current predjustice. There are plenty of bonkers christians to place in the same boat.
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woah there, i'm sorry you got bullied, that isn't right period and those people who did to you are scum.

However, don't think that you as a teacher have free reign to impose...sorry teach kids whatsoever, if some of them sight a religious objection to learning about what you do in your private life leave them be. Why is that hard? If a teacher was trying to teach me in school that getting seriously drunk and losing my inhibition on a weekend SHOULD be accepted i would stand up leave because i disagree and if i couldn't my parents would because its antithetical to our religious beliefs.
Doesn't mean i'd ever pick a quarrel with a gay person for being gay, that's none of business, doesn't mean i'd ever discriminate or hate gay people, they're normal like i am. We disagree on what hilariously you people claim to be personal life choices.....yet we always end up in a public name and shame debate.
Parents...not schools or the state are ideally responsible for children, period
I don’t impose anything on my students. My students often ask me about my sexuality and I have no issue answering their questions. I respect their religious beliefs but at the same time the curriculum requires teachers to promote British values to students. OFSTED will inspect us to see that we are promoting equality, diversity and inclusivity in lessons.

Schools are responsible for the education of children, not parents. Parents can teach whatever they want to their kids at home but they do not have the authority to dictate what schools teach. Schools follow a set curriculum and government standards. Parents can either deal with it or home school their children instead.

Us teachers already have enough work to deal with. We don’t have time to deal with temper tantrums of butt hurt adults.
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