"Arts degrees are the biggest costs to the public purse"

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Today's Telegraph

The numbers are in

"Arts graduates each cost the taxpayer £35,000 an analysis by The Institute for Fiscal Studies have found.
Degrees in creative arts subjects including music drama fine art and design studies are the most costly to the taxpayer because so few earn enough money to pay back their student loans in full

Least likely to pay back a loan-
Creative arts
Agriculture and veterinary sciences
Comes and media
All the Arts and humanities
Education
English

Most likely to pay back loans-
Medicine
Economics
Engineering
Mathematics and computer science
Law
Physics.
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People who earn less money pay less tax? Shocker!
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Although, that's one less reason to give higher tuition fees to the science courses.
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Whether people pay back the loan or not, art degrees should still be available for funding as those that pursue these types of courses aren't usually capable of studying for proper, relevant STEM degrees.
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(Original post by Dez)
People who earn less money pay less tax? Shocker!
It's not a tax. It's a loan, and it ought to be given on terms that it is required to be paid back.

I'm a graduate and I'll pay back my loan. I really don't see why I should also pay back other people's loans through taxation.
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Whether people pay back the loan or not, art degrees should still be available for funding as those that pursue these types of courses aren't usually capable of studying for proper, relevant STEM degrees.
So those that study a law or geography degree at somewhere like LSE aren't capable?...
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Thank you for sharing that information with us. As I understand it though, it is highly important to study something you are passionate about, regardless of the consequences/finances.
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Creative industries’ record contribution to UK economy
£92bn sector growing at twice the rate of the economy
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(Original post by TimmonaPortella)
It's not a tax. It's a loan, and it ought to be given on terms that it is required to be paid back.

I'm a graduate and I'll pay back my loan. I really don't see why I should also pay back other people's loans through taxation.
For all intents and purposes, it is a tax. It's only branded as a loan so that expats are still liable to pay it.
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how payable are language degrees? (modern)
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(Original post by Dez)
For all intents and purposes, it is a tax. It's only branded as a loan so that expats are still liable to pay it.
It's obviously not entirely a tax, since it is possible to clear your liability entirely. I don't know of any other 'tax' whereby you can stop paying it after you've made a certain level of contribution.

It is possible to say it's an arrangement that presently functions in some ways like a tax. My position is that it ought to be treated more strictly like a loan. I'm not sure what label you choose to apply to it really makes much difference. Certainly 'it's just a tax!' isn't an answer to the complaint in OP, or to my complaint above.
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At the moment the student loan bill is £100bn and increases by £12bn each year.
80% aren't anticipated to pay the loan in full and 50% aren't likely to pay at all.
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(Original post by Daigan)
Whether people pay back the loan or not, art degrees should still be available for funding as those that pursue these types of courses aren't usually capable of studying for proper, relevant STEM degrees.
Who says they have to study anything?
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Why is design considered a creative art by these people, when it is an aspect of engineering and/or development?
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Why is design considered a creative art by these people, when it is an aspect of engineering and/or development?
Because it isnt actually useful in any way without the maths and engineering
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(Original post by Just my opinion)
Today's Telegraph

The numbers are in

"Arts graduates each cost the taxpayer £35,000 an analysis by The Institute for Fiscal Studies have found.
Degrees in creative arts subjects including music drama fine art and design studies are the most costly to the taxpayer because so few earn enough money to pay back their student loans in full

Least likely to pay back a loan-
Creative arts
Agriculture and veterinary sciences
Comes and media
All the Arts and humanities
Education
English

Most likely to pay back loans-
Medicine
Economics
Engineering
Mathematics and computer science
Law
Physics.
Art is important, get over it.
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Because it isnt actually useful in any way without the maths and engineering
Even Product, Industrial, UX and UI design? Which are high in job availability and salary? That are highly competitive? Exactly what "form of design" are you considering to not be useful (I guess without the maths and engineering, since you mentioned that)? Motion and graphic design? Visual and sound design?
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(Original post by Qup)
Even Product, Industrial, UX and UI design? Which are high in job availability and salary? That are highly competitive? Exactly what "form of design" are you considering to not be useful (I guess without the maths and engineering, since you mentioned that)? Motion and graphic design? Visual and sound design?
I guess 'design' is quite broad but my point is, the more maths involved in it, the more useful it tends to be.
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The only reason why people with STEM degrees or law degrees are likely to pay back their loan is because the pay in those industries is significantly higher than in the creative industry.

Art based jobs pay less but people go into it because they love the job. A lot of English grads go into publishing. Publishing doesn’t pay well but they love the job because it’s what they are passionate about.
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