Second referendum supporters, do you want "no-deal" to be left off the ballo Watch

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(Original post by ColinDent)
Erm, that's less than the 48% that voted to remain in the actual referendum, all you have done is proven support has in fact gone down.
According to ComRes, and ignoring don't knows, won't votes - it's now:

Leave : 46%
Remain : 54%

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That's… not how this works. You can't directly compare the results of an opinion poll to a plebiscite. The latter usually doesn't have options like "don't know" or "prefer not to say", for example.
Of course not, you stated support to remain was up, but what you mean is only if you don't look at the actual figures! So what are we meant to compare it to then?
Got to say your argument makes absolutely no sense and even sounds a little desperate.
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According to ComRes, and ignoring don't knows, won't votes - it's now:

Leave : 46%
Remain : 54%

https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho...4&postcount=15
But you can't ignore those, so with those what is the actual figure?
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But you can't ignore those, so with those what is the actual figure?
It's all in the link. And yes you can when the original referendum also ignored them.
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It's all in the link. And yes you can when the original referendum also ignored them.
Just saw it, the original referendum ignored the won't votes, the rest would almost certainly count and cannot therefore be discounted
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(Original post by ColinDent)
Just saw it, the original referendum ignored the won't votes, the rest would almost certainly count and cannot therefore be discounted
What was the % of the electorate who actually voted? Is that closer to don't knows plus won't votes plus won't say...

Edit: ah, no reply from you... so I'll give you the answer: 28% of the electorate didn't vote in the referendum. From ComRes their don't knows plus won't votes plus won't say is only 15%. So ComRes actually has a higher "hit" rate.
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What was the % of the electorate who actually voted? Is that closer to don't knows plus won't votes plus won't say...

Edit: ah, no reply from you... so I'll give you the answer: 28% of the electorate didn't vote in the referendum. From ComRes their don't knows plus won't votes plus won't say is only 15%. So ComRes actually has a higher "hit" rate.
Sorry I was having a bath then tea, that is all irrelevant the overall amount of people that wish to remain is 46% you can argue semantics all you like but that is the fact, so no seismic shift of opinion there.
And we also know that these polls can be wrong so truthfully cannot say that is even correct, and yes I know it could be a larger amount before you say it, the fact of the matter is that until the result of the referendum has been enacted then there's no way of telling what the general public think about how it actually is.
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Sorry I was having a bath then tea, that is all irrelevant the overall amount of people that wish to remain is 46% you can argue semantics all you like but that is the fact, so no seismic shift of opinion there.
And we also know that these polls can be wrong so truthfully cannot say that is even correct, and yes I know it could be a larger amount before you say it, the fact of the matter is that until the result of the referendum has been enacted then there's no way of telling what the general public think about how it actually is.
Wut? It's gone from 48% to 54%. The gap has gone from 4% to 8%. That's a doubling of the gap.

Yes it's just an opinion poll, yes it needs a huge health warning. But you said "all you have done is proven support has in fact gone down", it hasn't - it's gone up.
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Wut? It's gone from 48% to 54%. The gap has gone from 4% to 8%. That's a doubling of the gap.

Yes it's just an opinion poll, yes it needs a huge health warning. But you said "all you have done is proven support has in fact gone down", it hasn't - it's gone up.
So in opinion polls we have to discount the opinions of not only those who say they won't vote but also those that are unsure? What a wonderfully skewed way to look at things, congratulations you should get a job in politics.
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44% of those who were polled by the Express are clearly ignorant. To be fair, I am bored of Brexit but those who tired of it a year or so ago but are still baying for a hard Brexit just don't have a clue.

I note that the best part of a trillion in assets have been moved out of the UK in recent weeks.
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If it was in the express, should it really be believed
I know what you mean, I'm tired of it too
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44% of those who were polled by the Express are clearly ignorant. To be fair, I am bored of Brexit but those who tired of it a year or so ago but are still baying for a hard Brexit just don't have a clue.

I note that the best part of a trillion in assets have been moved out of the UK in recent weeks.
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44% of those who were polled by the Express are clearly ignorant. To be fair, I am bored of Brexit but those who tired of it a year or so ago but are still baying for a hard Brexit just don't have a clue.

I note that the best part of a trillion in assets have been moved out of the UK in recent weeks.
What lovely example of Remainers elitest snobbery
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What lovely example of Remainers elitest snobbery
Open your eyes. On the elitist snobbery side are companies left right and centre either departing or waiting to see before departing. Money is moving. People are moving. Everyone from university professors to small, medium and large businesses are saying a hard Brexit will be a disaster. They then go on to list why it will be a disaster e.g. increased costs / prices / reduced jobs / investments etc etc. Even the government seems to be preparing a war room in the event of a hard Brexit.

Yet if that is pointed out and people who seem to be blind to or ignore this advice - that is elitest snobbery?

Tell me oh wise one - and I am still waiting. How will hard Brexit make my life better?
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What lovely example of Remainers elitest snobbery
Another thing they do is quote figures that discount the don't knows and won't says then try to pass that off as fact.
Just did a little bit of my own maths and worked out that if you take the 7% that won't vote then remain would be a smidge UNDER 50%, like I said no seismic shift towards remain.
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(Original post by ColinDent)
So in opinion polls we have to discount the opinions of not only those who say they won't vote but also those that are unsure? What a wonderfully skewed way to look at things, congratulations you should get a job in politics.
To compare apples with apples you have to drop those who don't know / won't vote.

But if you really really want we can include them...

Referendum
Leave: 17,410,742 = 37.4% of the electorate
Remain: 16,141,241 = 34.7% of the electorate
Rejected Ballots: 25,359
Turnout: 72.2%
Total Electorate: 46,500,001

ComRes
Leave: 789 = 38.6% of the base
Remain: 947 = 46.4% of the base
Would not vote: 141
Don't know: 147
Prefer not to say: 18
Total base: 2,042

So Remain has gone from 34.7% to 46.4%. It. Hasn't. Gone. Down.
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Wut? It's gone from 48% to 54%. The gap has gone from 4% to 8%. That's a doubling of the gap.

Yes it's just an opinion poll, yes it needs a huge health warning. But you said "all you have done is proven support has in fact gone down", it hasn't - it's gone up.
Depends on what opinion poll you wish to veiw and if you believe it or not depends on your individual biast.

Either way its pointless because no referendum will put any closure to this. Its not a left vs right debate, its not a recent thing, this has been bubbling for years and personally I think the demise of real socialism has pushed it out the box and there is no way pushing it back in, no matter how the elite may try to ignore it.
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To compare apples with apples you have to drop those who don't know / won't vote.

But if you really really want we can include them...

Referendum
Leave: 17,410,742 = 37.4% of the electorate
Remain: 16,141,241 = 34.7% of the electorate
Rejected Ballots: 25,359
Turnout: 72.2%
Total Electorate: 46,500,001

ComRes
Leave: 789 = 38.6% of the base
Remain: 947 = 46.4% of the base
Would not vote: 141
Don't know: 147
Prefer not to say: 18
Total base: 2,042

So Remain has gone from 34.7% to 46.4%. It. Hasn't. Gone. Down.
Hahaha in a sample of 2000 people, what a pile of shite
See my last post where I worked out that it's still less than 50% of those who would plausibly vote.
Oh and by your figures then those backing leaving has also gone up.
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Depends on what opinion poll you wish to veiw and if you believe it or not depends on your individual biast
The thread is discussing the ComRes poll referenced in the OP.
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Hahaha in a sample of 2000 people, what a pile of shite
See my last post where I worked out that it's still less than 50% of those who would plausibly vote.
Oh and by your figures then those backing leaving has also gone up.
Dude, do you know how opinion polls work? I linked the thread to the complete original poll ages ago - and now you're moaning about the sample size.

smh.
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now you're moaning about the sample size.

smh.
It has remainers in it :P
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