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So, if we had another vote and leave won again with a narrower gap , would you accept it ?
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Tbh probably, especially if the voter turnout was higher (I think my main problem with the original referendum is the fact that there were so many UK taxpayers that the decision would majorly affect that couldn't vote in the first one)
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Tbh probably, especially if the voter turnout was higher (I think my main problem with the original referendum is the fact that there were so many UK taxpayers that the decision would majorly affect that couldn't vote in the first one)
Why could they not vote?
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So, if we had another vote and leave won again with a narrower gap , would you accept it ?
The problem is is there was another vote and remain won Leavers would never accept it.
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Tbh probably, especially if the voter turnout was higher (I think my main problem with the original referendum is the fact that there were so many UK taxpayers that the decision would majorly affect that couldn't vote in the first one)
Voter turnout was high in the original.
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Accept what?

What are we voting for? Another vague commitment to leave the EU without any of the details in place? Or something more substantial?
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So, if we had another vote and leave won again with a narrower gap , would you accept it ?
I would accept it because I think we know the facts a lot more now.

Last time it was like buying a house without doing a survey and then finding it was riddled with dry rot
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No ones accepting anything, who would notice?
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I don't agree that a constitutional change should be done on anything less than a supermajority, but - if the referendum was actually legally binding, was participated in within electoral rules (remember that several leave campaigns were criminal ones) and allowed those most affected by the constitutional change (citizens of other EU countries living here and British citizens living in other EU countries) - I would accept the result as valid, rather than the miscarriage of democracy that 2016 was.
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So, if we had another vote and leave won again with a narrower gap , would you accept it ?
What do you mean by "accept it"?
I accepted that Leave gained a majority in the last referendum. I didn't accept that leaving the EU was in any way good for the country.
I accepted the result, I didn't accept the implication.
If there was another referendum and Leave won again, I still wouldn't think that leaving the EU was a good idea.
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if the referendum was actually legally binding, was participated in within electoral rules (remember that several leave campaigns were criminal ones)
Indeed. The High Court stated that because of the level of rule-breaking, if the referendum had been an election it would have quashed the result. However, as it was merely an advisory process it had no power to intervene.

And yet the result is still being used to justify possibly the greatest negative social and political upheaval since WW2! Mind-boggling.
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Unless a charlatan organises the second referendum, the option would not be a choice between 'remain' and 'leave', nor would the referendum be non-binding.

If the UK electorate voted to leave the EU with no deal over alternatives such as remain, Norway+, etc. then I would accept the result. I would still think it's a stupid act of self-harm that will guarantee the end of the UK being considered even a medium power in the next 30 years. But since the referendum would be legally binding, this would not matter.
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So, if we had another vote and leave won again with a narrower gap , would you accept it ?
The purpose of a second referendum isn’t to convince the losers, whether they are Brexiters or Remainers. The purpose is to move the political agenda on.

A large majority of MPs adopt the position they adopt because either (a) they believe they have an obligation to deliver the previous referendum result regardless of their personal views of Brexit, or (b) regard the previous referendum result as invalid because of lies and non-disclosure.

So long as the debate is framed in terms of the previous referendum, those positions are immutable. It is like an Irishman supporting Fianna Fáil or Fine Gael based on which side their grandfathers took in the Civil War.

The only way to move on is to have a second referendum.

Traditionally an election was seen as wiping the slate clean of all policies that had gone before, but that didn’t happen in 2017 and it is not clear that would be regarded as happening in 2019. Moreover, without clearing out dissenting candidates, what does an election achieve? Does anyone think JRM or Ken Clarke would feel obliged to change their views merely because Theresa May was returned in a 2019 election either without a majority or with a tiny majority?
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Voter turnout was high in the original.
It was high I agree, BUT what I said was I would respect the result especially if it was higher - I didn't disregard the fact that the original turnout was high

The more representative of the population the vote is, the better
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Why could they not vote?
This is a personal example here, but my biology teacher at the time couldn't vote since she had only come over from Portugal a few years ago (even though she was arguably contributing more to the economy and society than some British citizens)

Edit: she is a taxpayer btw
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I would accept the decision if leave won again but I wouldn't accept what it meant for the future of this Country.

I personally think the last referendum was a joke. The campaigns were filled with lies and deceit and even now the entire Nation is still none the wiser as to what the outcome means for the Country. I honestly think the best option is to hold a new referendum but I believe every tax payer should have to vote as part of an enforced and recorded detail. Too many people don't vote. Even when the voting statistics are high, there is still a large number of people who do not vote on the future of their Country. I also think some of the rules of the last Referendum need to be revisited. For instance, my mother is German. She is now 43 and has lived here from the age of 15. She was not allowed to vote in the Referendum. She may not have British citizenship but for good reason (whole other topic altogether. Mainly being that it's just too hard to get) but this place is her home. Her mother moved their family over here with her new husband, my mams stepdad (who is British). She has her whole family here. She has worked for the NHS since moving here and yet she was denied the right to vote for what she thought was best for the future of her home.
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It was high I agree, BUT what I said was I would respect the result especially if it was higher - I didn't disregard the fact that the original turnout was high

The more representative of the population the vote is, the better
I love how people write their own rules of why they don't respect the electorates veiw.
I will not respect a high proportion of the electorate if its higher than high I will lol magic :rolleyes:
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(Original post by ambiplasma)
This is a personal example here, but my biology teacher at the time couldn't vote since she had only come over from Portugal a few years ago (even though she was arguably contributing more to the economy and society than some British citizens)

Edit: she is a taxpayer btw
I'm sure she is but entitlement to vote is a separate issue.

Let's put it this way even through In my eyes (and probably you'res too) she should be entitled to vote, but I don't make the rules and neither do you. The world does not stand up still and is not fair and probably never will be.

So this is why this arugement is flawed, when do we hold an election to stop these miscarriages? We can't can we, there are always going to be people who are and aren't eligible to vote.
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I don't agree that a constitutional change should be done on anything less than a supermajority, but - if the referendum was actually legally binding, was participated in within electoral rules (remember that several leave campaigns were criminal ones) and allowed those most affected by the constitutional change (citizens of other EU countries living here and British citizens living in other EU countries) - I would accept the result as valid, rather than the miscarriage of democracy that 2016 was.
You forgot about the barely legal and hugely biased leaflet that the government sent to every single household, and the postal voting advice form that was sent with the actual voting slips, the one that had the cross shown in remain, oh and what about the extra 3 days to register to vote because the website got jammed up ( or so they said) for 2hrs or so.
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You forgot about the barely legal and hugely biased leaflet that the government sent to every single household, and the postal voting advice form that was sent with the actual voting slips, the one that had the cross shown in remain, oh and what about the extra 3 days to register to vote because the website got jammed up ( or so they said) for 2hrs or so.
Arrr but that's OK, didn't ya get the memo, it's impossible for Remainers to cheat, a little liike Sexism it's impossible for a woman to be Sexist or a black person to be racist.

Come on Colin keep up
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