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Mr Speaker has (for the first time) allowed an ammendment through that offers a second referendum - it will be voted on tonight in the Commons. The proposer is TIG breakaway ex-Tory MP Sarah Wollaston (Totnes).
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...trol-of-brexit

This is a chance to test the mood of the house on allowing another vote. It will be interesting to see how many support the idea. Also a chance for the Labour backbenches to show how much behind it they are.
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I don't believe there's anything like enough support for a 2nd referendum.
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But you said yesterday referendums were facist?
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Does anyone else find it weird that Theresa May is against a Second Referendum because we have to "respect the result of the First Referendum", but she doesn't mind making MPs keep repeatedly voting on her deal until she gets the result she wants?
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But you said yesterday referendums were facist?
They are, but as we've already gone down that road, what's the logic now? More democracy = more referendums, surely?
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They are, but as we've already gone down that road, what's the logic now? More democracy = more referendums, surely?
Not until after the first has been implemented
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But you said yesterday referendums were facist?
It's interesting to see the people who want a second referendum are by definition the ones who don't that think the results of referendums are important in the first place. :lol:
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They are, but as we've already gone down that road, what's the logic now? More democracy = more referendums, surely?
I ask again, is Switzerland facist?
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I ask again, is Switzerland facist?
I hesitate to answer that question as I like Switzerland on the whole, but there are things about their political system that leave a lot to be desired and about their history.

I was perhaps being a little ott accusing all referenda of being fascistic. but the linking of extremist nationalism to referenda and the accusations of treachery aimed at anyone not supporting the nationalistic and racist/xenophobic agendas represented are pure, classic fascism and that's what we've seen oodles of in the current situation.
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They are, but as we've already gone down that road, what's the logic now? More democracy = more referendums, surely?
This statement does not make logical sense. Either you believe referendums are facist, or that they are democratic.
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This statement does not make logical sense. Either you believe referendums are facist, or that they are democratic.
I was attempting irony. I am against referendums in Britain on key issues as I regard them as against our Parliamentary traditions and open to manipulation by nefarious and outside interests - both have been most clearly the case with the EU referendum. I see what has been happening with the latter as inviting a fascist-style atmosphere in the country. There is extensive evidence to support these views - not least the desperate hatred that many hard-line Brexiteers now show for our Parliament, which they claimed they wanted to return sovereignty to.
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I was attempting irony. I am against referendums in Britain on key issues as I regard them as against our Parliamentary traditions and open to manipulation by nefarious and outside interests - both have been most clearly the case with the EU referendum. I see what has been happening with the latter as inviting a fascist-style atmosphere in the country. There is extensive evidence to support these views - not least the desperate hatred that many hard-line Brexiteers now show for our Parliament, which they claimed they wanted to return sovereignty to.
The purpose of parliament is to reflect and represent the views of their constituents. If this is true - then Parliament should be a leave supporting body - considering most MPs represent leave voting constituencies. Is it wrong for people to express anger that they are not being properly represented?
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(Original post by JMR2019.)
The purpose of parliament is to reflect and represent the views of their constituents. If this is true - then Parliament should be a leave supporting body - considering most MPs represent leave voting constituencies. Is it wrong for people to express anger that they are not being properly represented?
You do realise these same people elected these MPs?
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You do realise these same people elected these MPs?
Yes- the overwhelming majority were elected on a mandate to respect the result.
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Fingers crossed.
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I honestly believe the vote for leave was based on misinformation and romanticising what would happen. We were told there would be 250million for the NHS regularly, we thought it would improve our economy and our country, and a lot of people who voted did so to spite the establishment. The pound fell , our economy is going to weaken even further, and a lot of the false promises made are not going to come to pass. Farage sold the country a lie along with his group, and bailed and left us with this mess.

Give the British public a final vote on the deal.

A. Theresa May's deal

B. Remain.
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The purpose of parliament is to reflect and represent the views of their constituents. If this is true - then Parliament should be a leave supporting body - considering most MPs represent leave voting constituencies. Is it wrong for people to express anger that they are not being properly represented?
In what sense are they not being properly represented?
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Yes- the overwhelming majority were elected on a mandate to respect the result.
They can always vote for someone else at then next election if they are unhappy.
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Mr Speaker has (for the first time) allowed an ammendment through that offers a second referendum - it will be voted on tonight in the Commons. The proposer is TIG breakaway ex-Tory MP Sarah Wollaston (Totnes).
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...trol-of-brexit

This is a chance to test the mood of the house on allowing another vote. It will be interesting to see how many support the idea. Also a chance for the Labour backbenches to show how much behind it they are.
The Commons' commitment to indecision is profound:-

We reject May's Deal

We reject a different approach than May's Deal

We reject No Deal forever


In addition:-

We reject a Second Referendum

We reject limiting an Article 50 extension to the end of June

We reject indicative votes

We refuse to have no confidence in the government
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The Commons' commitment to indecision is profound:-

We reject May's Deal

We reject a different approach than May's Deal

We reject No Deal forever


In addition:-

We reject a Second Referendum

We reject limiting an Article 50 extension to the end of June

We reject indicative votes

We refuse to have no confidence in the government
It almost makes one hanker after having a, you know, now what did they used to call it, er, a 'government'?
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