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What is it that's worrying people?

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One interpretation is that we are making it harder to trade with our nearest and biggest trading partners, making goods we buy more expensive, and making goods we sell less likely to be sold.
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One interpretation is that we are making it harder to trade with our nearest and biggest trading partners, making goods we buy more expensive, and making goods we sell less likely to be sold.
But if this is true, then I'm sure the government of a country would be aware of this issue before deciding to hold a referendum for whether to leave or stay? So why would they willingly want to weaken the country like this, if what you say is true?
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But if this is true, then I'm sure the government of a country would be aware of this issue before deciding to hold a referendum for whether to leave or stay? So why would they willingly want to weaken the country like this, if what you say is true?
It was a campaign promise that helped the government get re-elected in 2015 but then they subsequently campaigned to remain. In 2015 few thought that the public would vote to leave.
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But if this is true, then I'm sure the government of a country would be aware of this issue before deciding to hold a referendum for whether to leave or stay? So why would they willingly want to weaken the country like this, if what you say is true?
I knew that they held that referendum to show that the people wouldn’t want to leave the UE. Guess it kinda went downhill from then.
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What is it that's worrying people?

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I am a logistics coordinator, for me, Brexit without any preparation is the literal hell on earth. I am actively looking for a different job.
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But if this is true, then I'm sure the government of a country would be aware of this issue before deciding to hold a referendum for whether to leave or stay? So why would they willingly want to weaken the country like this, if what you say is true?
You hold too much faith in our political class! 😂

But seriously, governments are forever making decisions which turn out in retrospect to be misguided or ill-thoughtout.

The Brexit issue is multifaceted hence it's difficult to distill it into simple objective truths either way. What is clear, however, is that our parliamentary democracy has taken a significant blow due to the shenanigans of our elected representatives.
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It was a campaign promise that helped the government get re-elected in 2015 but then they subsequently campaigned to remain. In 2015 few thought that the public would vote to leave.
Is this really true? Wow.
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You hold to much faith in our political class! 😂

But seriously, governments are forever making decisions which turn out in retrospect to be misguided or ill-thoughtout.
Kinda shameful. I always thought Britains' government was supposed to be one of the best in the world. Can't believe it has come to this.
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Is this really true? Wow.
For the most part, yes. Cameron called the referendum feeling confident he'd win it.
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Let’s face it: the only objective argument against leaving the European Union is that of economic uncertainty (and even that argument isn’t 100% watertight).
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I am a logistics coordinator, for me, Brexit without any preparation is the literal hell on earth. I am actively looking for a different job.
Ahh I see
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What is it that's worrying people?

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in a word - 'Money'

Brexit will mean this country has less money. If we stay in the EU we will have more money ( yes even after paying over our contributions)

Hope that's a simple enough answer for you
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For me the main reason why I don't want us to leave the EU is the uncertainty. You'll get one leaver saying that Brexit will improve the economy in the long term while a remainer will say that the economy will worsen. Neither of them know what will actually happen, none of us do.

There are problems with the EU but the country was doing okay as a part of it so why risk leaving when it could be a disaster? I am sure that the majority of the public who voted in the referendum thought that leaving the EU just meant that we regain control of our borders/laws and everything else would remain the same. When you think of it like that it does sound tempting to leave so I understand why leave won.
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Ahh I see
For example, if put in order for 20tons of PVA, let's say from Germany, I will have by my doors tomorrow around 4PM, like a clockwork. This means that I do not have to overstock.
After Brexit the UKBA procedure may take anywhere from 3 days to 5 weeks. This means that from now I have to stock 5 weeks worth of material, this will lock in about $4M, in safety stock, for our company it means the same as losing millions. Also, we do not have the storage capacity so all the extra stock has to be in a third party warehouse, that's £4 per pallet per week, that adds up to £60,000 year just in storage fees plus £600 per drop from the third party warehouse to our factory. That's another about £50,000/year. Plus insurance premium...

Another thing when a "refugee" makes it into a truck and gets caught on the French side they just throw him away and let the truck go, now there will be a full investigation, human trafficking act, etc. that can delay the delivery by several months.

What I just described is probably the simplest and cheapest problem for us. Also if your company deals with perishable goods, you are fuc...
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For me the main reason why I don't want us to leave the EU is the uncertainty. You'll get one leaver saying that Brexit will improve the economy in the long term while a remainer will say that the economy will worsen. Neither of them know what will actually happen, none of us do.

There are problems with the EU but the country was doing okay as a part of it so why risk leaving when it could be a disaster? I am sure that the vast majority of the public who voted in the referendum thought that leaving the EU just meant that we regain control of our borders/laws and everything else would remain the same. When you think of it like that it does sound tempting to leave so I understand why leave won.
Although I don't know much/enough about Brexit, I do agree with what you're saying here.

But I want to know this - why are leavers seen as racist/'far-right' by remainers, simply for wanting stricter/more secure borders?
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But I want to know this - why are leavers seen as racist/'far-right' by remainers, simply for wanting stricter/more secure borders?
The vast majority of those on the far-right would have voted to leave because their number one issue is immigration. But this doesn't mean that the majority of leavers are far-right. It's ignorant to think that everyone who voted to leave holds racist views.
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Although I don't know much/enough about Brexit, I do agree with what you're saying here.

But I want to know this - why are leavers seen as racist/'far-right' by remainers, simply for wanting stricter/more secure borders?
Well, I do not think that Brexit will add much to our security. The issue with illegal immigrants is that they come over >illegaly< and it makes very little difference to them if they illegally cross from the Schengen zone to the UK or if they illegally cross from Schengen zone and EU to the UK... This is about as helpful as renaming the UK to the not-the-UK and hoping to it will stop them from coming over here.
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It's not.

"Alexa, define 'objective'".
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It's ignorant to think that everyone who voted to leave holds racist views.
It seems that this is the view of the majority of remainers, though. They are always accusing leavers of being racist.
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