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Investment banking VS Actuarial

i'm kinda stuck on which one is 'better' :confused: - in terms of pay, working hours, and the job itself i.e whether it is really repetitive or not? Any information wouuld be really helpful

im doing gonna maths, further maths, economics, chemistry and biology or french (havent decided between bio and french yeet)

I looking to do maths and econommics at uni or possible actuarial science - but first i need a proper understanding of the 2 careers as a job. :s-smilie:

I've gonu have work experiance in an actuarial firm - couldnt find experiance for investment banking - but it will still gimme a good insight.

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Reply 1
JanaT
i'm kinda stuck on which one is 'better' :confused: - in terms of pay, working hours, and the job itself i.e whether it is really repetitive or not? Any information wouuld be really helpful

im doing gonna maths, further maths, economics, chemistry and biology or french (havent decided between bio and french yeet)

I looking to do maths and econommics at uni or possible actuarial science - but first i need a proper understanding of the 2 careers as a job. :s-smilie:

I've gonu have work experiance in an actuarial firm - couldnt find experiance for investment banking - but it will still gimme a good insight.


This is a very vague question. What areas of IB specifically? In very general terms:
pay - IB's higher
working hours - IB's higher
job - very subjective but in my opinion, IB
Reply 2
I will give you the reasons why I have chosen actuarial over IB:

1) The working hours are better
2) There is a lot more job security, you do have to pass your exams but you usually get 2 goes before they sack you so it's not as bad as accountancy. Also they don't regularly get rid of the worst performing people.
3) Once you become a fellow you will never be out of a job.
4) It uses a lot more maths than IB so you will actually use what you learn in your degree.
5) The pay is still not bad starting at around £30k and rising with every exam pass.
Reply 3
Are the exams hard? - its a stupid qu.
but do the exams require a lot of revision, work and time

And also when looking at actuary as a job, ive heard that lyk IB it is something you cant do for a long time 5yrs+
Reply 4
It takes around 5 years to qualify so it would be a bit stupid if they paid for all your exams then told you to leave. The exams get progressively harder. You are expected to do about 15 hrs revision a week but you usually get a study day to do some of it. I think all the exams are acheivable (the first 8 are degree level) except for maybe the last one which I know takes a lot of work, but this is in your specialism so it should be ok. If you do actuarial science you will only have to do 7/15 exams whilst working but this does mean that you will be thrown in at the deep end a little with regards to working and studying at the same time.
Reply 5
You don't have to decide between IB and Actuarial science before you go to uni, a maths degree would allow you to do both.

It terms on Hours, Pay, Prestige, Babes etc IB is higher but its a bigger risk.
i love it when people compare something vs IB. Look at it this way, investment banks only target top 6 universities.

So, JanaT what uni are you at? It might be that quite simply there is no chance of you getting into IB (FO/MO), which leaves acturial as the only career option open to you.

here are my reasons for working in IB:

prestige
exclusivity
elitism
can retire by the age of 30
no more exams
a fancy card with your name on it
opportunity to pilfer some quality stationary
people are in awe when you tell them what you do
travel around the work in 1st class (on the firm's account that is)
adrenaline rush(es)
surrounded by people as intelligent as you are
the fact that I got in whereas 5000 others didn't. <- now thats priceless

oh and by the way, starting salaries for IB (FO) range from 36,000 - 40,000. 1st year bonuses range from 20,000 - 60,000 on top of your salary (don't think that acturial pays any bonuses at all).

hope this helps.

ps. you might also consider consultancy, its more interesting than acturial but pays the same as IB (although its much harder to get into than IB)
uthinkilltellu
i love it when people compare something vs IB. Look at it this way, investment banks only target top 6 universities.

So, JanaT what uni are you at? It might be that quite simply there is no chance of you getting into IB (FO/MO), which leaves acturial as the only career option open to you.

here are my reasons for working in IB:

prestige
exclusivity
elitism
can retire by the age of 30
no more exams
a fancy card with your name on it
opportunity to pilfer some quality stationary
people are in awe when you tell them what you do
travel around the work in 1st class (on the firm's account that is)
adrenaline rush(es)
surrounded by people as intelligent as you are
the fact that I got in whereas 5000 others didn't. <- now thats priceless

oh and by the way, starting salaries for IB (FO) range from 36,000 - 40,000. 1st year bonuses range from 20,000 - 60,000 on top of your salary (don't think that acturial pays any bonuses at all).

hope this helps.

ps. you might also consider consultancy, its more interesting than acturial but pays the same as IB (although its much harder to get into than IB)



So you don't need to take any more exams? That sounds pretty good!
stosie
I will give you the reasons why I have chosen actuarial over IB:

1) The working hours are better
2) There is a lot more job security, you do have to pass your exams but you usually get 2 goes before they sack you so it's not as bad as accountancy. Also they don't regularly get rid of the worst performing people.
3) Once you become a fellow you will never be out of a job.
4) It uses a lot more maths than IB so you will actually use what you learn in your degree.
5) The pay is still not bad starting at around £30k and rising with every exam pass.

It depends on which area of IB though. For instance in Corporate Fin you hardly use any maths, Research or structuring desks are a completely different story.
England Captain
So you don't need to take any more exams? That sounds pretty good!

You do...

Some people go to Business school after 2-3 years of IBing, so again you need to take more exams lol.
Reply 10
the only bad thing about ib is the hours, and that you have to lick peoples asses. Ive too much personal integrity for that.
Reply 11
uthinkilltellu
i love it when people compare something vs IB. Look at it this way, investment banks only target top 6 universities.

So, JanaT what uni are you at? It might be that quite simply there is no chance of you getting into IB (FO/MO), which leaves acturial as the only career option open to you.

here are my reasons for working in IB:

prestige
exclusivity
elitism
can retire by the age of 30
no more exams
a fancy card with your name on it
opportunity to pilfer some quality stationary
people are in awe when you tell them what you do
travel around the work in 1st class (on the firm's account that is)
adrenaline rush(es)
surrounded by people as intelligent as you are
the fact that I got in whereas 5000 others didn't. <- now thats priceless

oh and by the way, starting salaries for IB (FO) range from 36,000 - 40,000. 1st year bonuses range from 20,000 - 60,000 on top of your salary (don't think that acturial pays any bonuses at all).

hope this helps.

ps. you might also consider consultancy, its more interesting than acturial but pays the same as IB (although its much harder to get into than IB)


Rubbish mate, anyone from any uni can get into FO, and have gotten into FO, its more about how impressive the person is than the uni :wink:
Reply 12
To the neg-repper, does it annoy you that people form outside Top6 unis get into FO? lol
Reply 13
uthinkilltellu
i love it when people compare something vs IB. Look at it this way, investment banks only target top 6 universities.

So, JanaT what uni are you at?

Im doing GCSEs now, and for A-level taking maths, economics, chemistry, french and further maths - i know im looking quite ahead, but i just want to know the +ves and -ves of both jobs - by the way which 6 unis are you talking about
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uthinkilltellu
i love it when people compare something vs IB. Look at it this way, investment banks only target top 6 universities.

So, JanaT what uni are you at?

Im doing GCSEs now, and for A-level taking maths, economics, chemistry, french and further maths - i know im looking quite ahead, but i just want to know the +ves and -ves of both jobs - by the way which 6 unis are you talking about


I would say oxford, cambridge, lse, imperial, warwick and ucl.
Mos Def
Rubbish mate, anyone from any uni can get into FO, and have gotten into FO, its more about how impressive the person is than the uni :wink:


i wish that was the case mate (as my uni isn't exactly the creme de la creme:redface: ), but there has to be a bottom line somewhere.

I think banks have a minimum requirements system, so when someone selects a university say, for example, Manchester Uni (which is socially awesome), they'll get automatically rejected because the banks might only want students from traditionally strong universities (can't be bothered to list them all- but unis that are always in top 10).

so no matter how good a person someone is, the hard truth is, they'll get rejected before they even get to speak to the recruiters.

What I know someone did (and it worked) was to select 'Other', whenever 'other' is selected is gets through the automatic screening process because the student could be from a foreign university.
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JanaT


I would say oxford, cambridge, lse, imperial, warwick and ucl.


but not in that order. :wink:
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uthinkilltellu
i love it when people compare something vs IB. Look at it this way, investment banks only target top 6 universities.

So, JanaT what uni are you at?

Im doing GCSEs now, and for A-level taking maths, economics, chemistry, french and further maths - i know im looking quite ahead, but i just want to know the +ves and -ves of both jobs - by the way which 6 unis are you talking about


good for you - the sooner you start the better are your chances. you've also selected good a- levels.

with regards to acturial vs IB, it depends on you personally. if you select acturial you'll have a longer career (as IBers get burnt out pretty quickly - all those 100/h weeks are bad for one's social life), also in the long run you might enjoy yourself more (due to longer career & lesser chance of a heart attack or a stroke), you'll also have a better social life working as an actuary.

on the other hand, acturail science is for people who find accountancy too exciting:biggrin: , so IB is your (only?) chance of a fast life, as you'll be earning so much money they you actually won't have the time to spend it all. You'll travel to 3 foreign countries in a week (when you are on the presentation run). You could always become an actuary after IB, but its much harder other way round. And lastly, you'll only live once and who on earth wants to live till they are 70? (i don't, so i'd rather have an awesome lifestyle (girls, fast cars, £1000/glass wines) and die a happy man at 40, rather than live an upper-middle-class life and die an old man from a massive internal fart.
Reply 18
uthinkilltellu
i wish that was the case mate (as my uni isn't exactly the creme de la creme:redface: ), but there has to be a bottom line somewhere.

I think banks have a minimum requirements system, so when someone selects a university say, for example, Manchester Uni (which is socially awesome), they'll get automatically rejected because the banks might only want students from traditionally strong universities (can't be bothered to list them all- but unis that are always in top 10).

so no matter how good a person someone is, the hard truth is, they'll get rejected before they even get to speak to the recruiters.

What I know someone did (and it worked) was to select 'Other', whenever 'other' is selected is gets through the automatic screening process because the student could be from a foreign university.


Then why do people from below top 10 unis land 1st round interviews at BBs? Yes it does happen, not that rare either.

And regarding the other, what if you get in and they ask, so why did you put other, Manc Uni was there? Wont you look more stupid lol? For me that would be an option tbh, because im hoping to go to Cass Business School, but the uni would be City which is not that good, bah.
Mos Def
why do people from below top 10 unis land 1st round interviews at BBs?


its a bit like crop circles, they are there, but no one knows for certain how they got there. :eek:

1st round interview doesn't constitute a job offer!
also in every networking event i've been to all people there were from top 6 unis. so unless they consign people from 'the rest' into basements, i'd say that you have to be in top6 if you want a good shot at an internship.


Mos Def
And regarding the other, what if you get in and they ask, so why did you put other, Manc Uni was there? Wont you look more stupid lol? For me that would be an option tbh, because im hoping to go to Cass Business School, but the uni would be City which is not that good, bah.


i'd whore myself to them using every single action word in my vocabulary! :biggrin:

with regards to cass business school, its almost as hard to get into as Oxford, so why bother? i know that it offers some specialist degrees, but i doubt that they'll teach you anything more than the bargain basement topics they teach to the rest of us.