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The referendum is a choice between an independent Ulster or a province of the UK.

In the event of Ulster voting for independence, the nation will be free to determine its own destiny. It may choose to remain in the EU, unite with Ireland, or both.
No it isn't.
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No it isn't.
Why isn't it?
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Why isn't it?
Let's start again. So you think the socially conservative people of Donegal would vote to leave a country they want to be part of (Ireland) to form a new country (Ulster) in the hope it would self-determine to reunite with their original country?

As we say in Belfast, is your head cut?
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Let's start again. So you think the socially conservative people of Donegal would vote to leave a country they want to be part of (Ireland) to form a new country (Ulster) in the hope it would self-determine to reunite with their original country?

As we say in Belfast, is your head cut?
If the referendum was held the day after an independent Ulster was created, then the answer will most likely be no. If it is held about 5 years later then the outcome is less predictable and will depend on how both Ulster and Ireland are doing. Take into account that Donegal stands a bit apart from the rest of Ireland, apart from the conservative Gaelic parts of the west coast, and has historically strong connections with Derry and Tyrone. Ireland has become more socially liberal over the past two decades whereas many Catholic areas of Ulster are still quite conservative. It's quite possible that residents of Donegal find that Dublin is more alien and culturally apart than Belfast is nowadays.

It will be an interesting scenario if Ireland continues to become more socially liberal and Ulster becomes more socially conservative as time passes and this is what keeps the two countries apart from each other.
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If the referendum was held the day after an independent Ulster was created, then the answer will most likely be no. If it is held about 5 years later then the outcome is less predictable and will depend on how both Ulster and Ireland are doing. Take into account that Donegal stands a bit apart from the rest of Ireland, apart from the conservative Gaelic parts of the west coast, and has historically strong connections with Derry and Tyrone. Ireland has become more socially liberal over the past two decades whereas many Catholic areas of Ulster are still quite conservative. It's quite possible that residents of Donegal find that Dublin is more alien and culturally apart than Belfast is nowadays.

It will be an interesting scenario if Ireland continues to become more socially liberal and Ulster becomes more socially conservative as time passes and this is what keeps the two countries apart from each other.
One major problem with this: the majority of people in Northern Ireland are not socially conservative.
https://news.sky.com/story/majority-...polls-11522525
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It already exists.

And why do you think the people of Donegal, Monaghan and Cavan would want to leave the rest of Ireland?
The nine counties don't even exist any more, never mind the "province". Of course, the "three countries and 11 districts" doesn't sound quite as poetic.
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The nine counties don't even exist any more, never mind the "province". Of course, the "three countries and 11 districts" doesn't sound quite as poetic.
It has a rugby team...

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It has a rugby team...

SUFTUM
Ulster Rugby team is amazing :love:

I leave this thread in your very, very capable hands. I saw some uneducated remarks, but then saw your name and your answers, and I relaxed.
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I leave this thread in your very, very capable hands. I saw some uneducated remarks, but then saw your name and your answers, and I relaxed.
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P.S. glad you survived St Patrick's
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One major problem with this: the majority of people in Northern Ireland are not socially conservative.
https://news.sky.com/story/majority-...polls-11522525
It's nowhere near as simplistic and clear cut as this. Should Donegal declare itself as an independent nation if the rest of both Ireland and Ulster veer towards becoming socially liberal places?

The concept of adding extra counties to an independent 6 county Ulster is a hypothetical longer term concept whose viability and level of public support can only be determined with any degree of accuracy if an independent 6 county Ulster already exists first.
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Fully support a United Ireland, annex ROI back into the UK asap....

send settlers into the rest of Ireland, and claim it for the crown, job done

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It's nowhere near as simplistic and clear cut as this. Should Donegal declare itself as an independent nation if the rest of both Ireland and Ulster veer towards becoming socially liberal places?

The concept of adding extra counties to an independent 6 county Ulster is a hypothetical longer term concept whose viability and level of public support can only be determined with any degree of accuracy if an independent 6 county Ulster already exists first.
would seem as a plot by Unionists to add them on Ireland and fuel tensions, and doubt the rest of Ulster wants to become independent either, simply no appetite for them...
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It's nowhere near as simplistic and clear cut as this. Should Donegal declare itself as an independent nation if the rest of both Ireland and Ulster veer towards becoming socially liberal places?

The concept of adding extra counties to an independent 6 county Ulster is a hypothetical longer term concept whose viability and level of public support can only be determined with any degree of accuracy if an independent 6 county Ulster already exists first.
I see, so now you are proposing that Donegal should declare itself independent of both Ireland and Northern Ireland.

Hahjjjjhhaaaaaaajjajjassshhhhhhh aasaasaaaaaahaha

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Begorah!
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It has a rugby team...

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Presumably we're all quite happy being part of Lionsland!
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Presumably we're all quite happy being part of Lionsland!
The GAA isn't.

On that topic I still get confused that the Irish Football Association is NI...
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I see, so now you are proposing that Donegal should declare itself independent of both Ireland and Northern Ireland.

Hahjjjjhhaaaaaaajjajjassshhhhhhh aasaasaaaaaahaha

:toofunny:

Begorah!



And if I could I'd build a wall around old Donegal
The north and south to keep them out, by God I'd build it tall
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You don’t know the difference between Ulster and Northern Ireland. Maybe you should educate yourself before starting a thread.
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And if I could I'd build a wall around old Donegal
The north and south to keep them out, by God I'd build it tall
The full verse is

And if I could I'd build a wall around old Donegal
The north and south to keep them out, by God I'd build it tall
Casinos, chicken ranches, I'd legalize them all
We'd have our own Las Vegas, in the hills of Donegal
Yeah Las Vegas, in the hills of Donegal


So you think the same people that voted on Amendment 8 want to have Las Vegas in Donegal?
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The full verse is

And if I could I'd build a wall around old Donegal
The north and south to keep them out, by God I'd build it tall
Casinos, chicken ranches, I'd legalize them all
We'd have our own Las Vegas, in the hills of Donegal
Yeah Las Vegas, in the hills of Donegal


So you think the same people that voted on Amendment 8 want to have Las Vegas in Donegal?
Sure. A great bunch of lads.
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