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Talk about how are the mighty fallen. The University that gave the world Isaac Newton and Darwin can't cope with the views of Jordan Peterson.

Shameful. Embarrassing. Humiliating.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFJxXS6MnDs
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for those of you who still enjoy the written word:

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/0...ng-fellowship/
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for those of you who still enjoy the written word:

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/0...ng-fellowship/
This is quite something.
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Government turned unis into adult daycare centres when they backed cheap student loans.
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In the great scheme of things now it is always the more radical minority that get their own way in these things.
A hecklers charter on steroids.
Students are paying customers now and faculty are **** scared of upsetting them.
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Good ol' Jordan 'I never said that, you're misrepresenting me' Peterson.

Maybe the University had second thoughts and decided they didn't want to associate with a quack who specialises in pseudoscience and word salad.

Cut your ******** on "the mighty have fallen". Peterson works in psychology. He's nowhere near that of Newton or Darwin. Hell, his fellowship would have been with the Faculty of Divinity for crying out loud. He's not some grand visionary who's about to revolutionise the sciences.

A less biased article for those who may be interested: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-47656933
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There are two ways to eradicate something perceived as offensive: 1) produce a counter-argument that prevails 2) ban it. The first way is how science works - new theories counter old theories. The second is how faith works - "Trust me. Thinking this is no good for you".
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(Original post by SHallowvale)
Good ol' Jordan 'I never said that, you're misrepresenting me' Peterson.

Maybe the University had second thoughts and decided they didn't want to associate with a quack who specialises in pseudoscience and word salad.

Cut your ******** on "the mighty have fallen". Peterson works in psychology. He's nowhere near that of Newton or Darwin. Hell, his fellowship would have been with the Faculty of Divinity for crying out loud. He's not some grand visionary who's about to revolutionise the sciences.

A less biased article for those who may be interested: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-47656933
I don’t think the OP was suggesting Peterson is comparable to Darwin or Newton. The point was Cambridge, in the past, helped to shape such revolutionary minds but today speakers are being banned because some people find them offensive.

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In the great scheme of things now it is always the more radical minority that get their own way in these things.
A hecklers charter on steroids.
Students are paying customers now and faculty are **** scared of upsetting them.
Pretty sure Cambridge would have little trouble replacing the customers it may lose
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his fellowship would have been with the Faculty of Divinity for crying out loud.
the Faculty of Divinity is the most important part of England's Greatest Yoony. the gibbering white coated lab monkeys may think they are ermmm God's Gift to intellectual life, but they are just a trivial sideshow.
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I don’t think the OP was suggesting Peterson is comparable to Darwin or Newton. The point was Cambridge, in the past, helped to shape such revolutionary minds but today speakers are being banned because some people find them offensive.
The faculty have, seemingly, rescinded his fellowship because they believe he doesn't hold the same principles they do. None of us know whether they actually made this decision simply because some people are offended by him.

Some students obviously do not like him. It's a no-brainer that the faculty wouldn't like their students being taught material with which he has collaborated with, let alone be taught by him directly. They also probably do not wish to associate themselves with someone who has created so much controversy for themself and has said some pretty stupid things (especially with regards to religion, which is pretty relevant here).
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(Original post by generallee)
Talk about how are the mighty fallen. The University that gave the world Isaac Newton and Darwin can't cope with the views of Jordan Peterson.

Shameful. Embarrassing. Humiliating.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFJxXS6MnDs
This is messed up. This is bascially a University’s version of “no platforming”.
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This is basically an example of when education can breed stupidity, as people are unable to accept other opinions due to herd like mentality. It’s sad freedom of speech is slowly being eaten due to some social justice warriors who choose to disagree with people without even debating the merits of their opponents’ ideas. I understand why his ideas has critics and that’s fine let the opposers of his idea debate against him. Don’t just ban him because he’s different.
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no doubt the same confusion reigned in the intellectual circles of all great civilizations prior to their collapse.
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(Original post by SHallowvale)
The faculty have, seemingly, rescinded his fellowship because they believe he doesn't hold the same principles they do. None of us know whether they actually made this decision simply because some people are offended by him.

Some students obviously do not like him. It's a no-brainer that the faculty wouldn't like their students being taught material with which he has collaborated with, let alone be taught by him directly. They also probably do not wish to associate themselves with someone who has created so much controversy for themself and has said some pretty stupid things (especially with regards to religion, which is pretty relevant here).
Why wouldn’t they want students being taught work that he’s collaborated on? What stupid things has he said?
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Moved to Educational Debate.
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Why wouldn’t they want students being taught work that he’s collaborated on? What stupid things has he said?
If students dislike his work then they'll be less likely to attend lectures, seminars, etc, on whatever subject his lecture material would be used in.

Generally speaking faculties want their students to enjoy what they're learning and to be involved with it as much as they can.
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Still waiting on St Edmunds to rescind Noah Carl's fellowship though (and DAMTP to bin Aron Wall)

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Also given the fairly widespread negative response to Noah Carl's fellowship and the appointment of Aron Wall by the student body, it's not so much a "minority" of students at Cambridge who oppose such bigotry...
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(Original post by SHallowvale)
If students dislike his work then they'll be less likely to attend lectures, seminars, etc, on whatever subject his lecture material would be used in.

Generally speaking faculties want their students to enjoy what they're learning and to be involved with it as much as they can.
Could they not enjoy learning to formulate a counterpoint? They could even argue and debate with him instead of passively listening to what they expect to hear. The possibilities are endless.
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(Original post by SHallowvale)
If students dislike his work then they'll be less likely to attend lectures, seminars, etc, on whatever subject his lecture material would be used in.

Generally speaking faculties want their students to enjoy what they're learning and to be involved with it as much as they can.
I’m not sure I agree, I had plenty of lecturers and seminar tutors I didn’t like but I knew I had to go to lectures or I wouldn’t get good grades in the module. If someone is intelligent enough to get into Cambridge I expect them to be intelligent enough to also figure that out.

We don’t know the extent to which students would dislike him or his views. These sorts of things are usually driven by a very vocal but small group.

Also I’m keen to hear what you meant when you spoke about the stupid things he’s said.
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(Original post by SHallowvale)
Good ol' Jordan 'I never said that, you're misrepresenting me' Peterson.

Maybe the University had second thoughts and decided they didn't want to associate with a quack who specialises in pseudoscience and word salad.

Cut your ******** on "the mighty have fallen". Peterson works in psychology. He's nowhere near that of Newton or Darwin. Hell, his fellowship would have been with the Faculty of Divinity for crying out loud. He's not some grand visionary who's about to revolutionise the sciences.

A less biased article for those who may be interested: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-47656933
less biased article from the BBC
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