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It was causing a lot of death and suffering to men women and children and infrastructure and archaeological sites such as palmira) would have carried on growing without US military intervention.

Or, do you believe they were just cleaning up the mess they created and testing out their new smart weapons in the process?

Would IS have arisen and done the same thing anyway?
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Nah, they'll just be usurped by another barbaric group of islamists.
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Saying "yes we should" = Islamophobia = ban, so I won't vote on this one.
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Saying "yes we should" = Islamophobia = ban, so I won't vote on this one.
I deliberately said IS not "Islamic State", maybe I should have said Daesh, it's only potentially islamophobic if you conflate Islam with IS, do you?
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It was causing a lot of death and suffering to men women and children and infrastructure and archaeological sites such as palmira) would have carried on growing without US military intervention.

Or, do you believe they were just cleaning up the mess they created and testing out their new smart weapons in the process?

Would IS have arisen and done the same thing anyway?
You forget the role played by all the other countries and factions.
Your other point about testing smart weapons that cost hundreds of thousands b the russians using dumb weapons is laughable.

Cant say im sad to see ISIS diminished. Are you sad they are gone?
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Well the way ISIS worked isn't that far from KSA and rural Pakistan and Afghanistan. Several hundred million people shares values and beliefs with what would be accepted by ISIS as a "good standard".
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I deliberately said IS not "Islamic State", maybe I should have said Daesh, it's only potentially islamophobic if you conflate Islam with IS, do you?
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You forget the role played by all the other countries and factions.
Your other point about testing smart weapons that cost hundreds of thousands b the russians using dumb weapons is laughable.

Cant say im sad to see ISIS diminished. Are you sad they are gone?
I don't forget the role played by others and just highlighting that without the USA wouldn't have happened. Why is my point about weapons laughable?
The military hardware industry is keen to develop and sell it's wares, not purely for filthy lucre but because they rightly or wrongly believe it deters others and saves lives.

I'm not sad to see Daesh diminished death and suffering helps no one, I hope that the peace can be won so that all can have constructive lives.
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Saying "yes we should" = Islamophobia = ban, so I won't vote on this one.
You wouldnt get a ban for saying you were glad isis were defeated in terms of holding territory.
Not islamophobic because they dont represent all muslims and some would say they dont represent muslims at all.
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The Kurdish forces deserve more recognition, the job they did in Kobani for example in 2015 was heroic.
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They still represent hundreds of millions of people that are living or trying to live to a standard enforced by thugs from ISIS. Sort of a pickle, here.
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You wouldnt get a ban for saying you were glad isis were defeated in terms of holding territory.
Not islamophobic because they dont represent all muslims and some would say they dont represent muslims at all.
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They still represent hundreds of millions of people that are living or trying to live to a standard enforced by thugs from ISIS. Sort of a pickle, here.
You wouldnt get a ban and ive already said it.
You dont really ahve any standing as your account was created today.
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OK, then I think that killing a bunch of lunatics with the assistance of equally insane people isn't much of a progress...
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You wouldnt get a ban and ive already said it.
You dont really ahve any standing as your account was created today.
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The Kurdish forces deserve more recognition, the job they did in Kobane for example in 2015 was heroic.
It was, but there was major coalition air support. They would have been overrun otherwise.
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OK, then I think that killing a bunch of lunatics with the assistance of equally insane people isn't much of a progress...
Am sure you will manage to get yourself banned over something else though.
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It was, but there was major coalition air support. They would have been overrun otherwise.
Agreed. Both parties needed one another. Air strikes on their own would have been useless
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To be fair, the vast majority of risk taking and suffering was done by Kurdish and Syrian fighters, not Americans. They deserve more thanks.

And it should not be forgotten that the invasion of Iraq in 2003 and the badly planned cluster**** of an occupation/insurgency provided the perfect environment for ISIS to flourish.
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Am sure you will manage to get yourself banned over something else though.
I've been banned here before, never found out why. I just wanted to know if I can learn cello on my own or if it is bit too late for me
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Agreed. Both parties needed one another.
You will see in my first answer I pointed out the defeat of ISIS was by a number of countries and factions. The Kurds have proven to be the only cohesive force on the ground the west can work with. They have been very successful, but it was in their interests to fight for increased control of territory as I expect ISIS would have gone for them and everyone else sooner rather than later.
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lol why should America be thanked when their "counterterrorism" is a global islamophobic colonial act justifying invsasion to defeat the islamic fundamentalism they imported. sending 26,000 bombs to Syria under the Obama administration alone somehow means the international community should bow in submission and gratitude????
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It was causing a lot of death and suffering to men women and children and infrastructure and archaeological sites such as palmira) would have carried on growing without US military intervention.

Or, do you believe they were just cleaning up the mess they created and testing out their new smart weapons in the process?

Would IS have arisen and done the same thing anyway?
America created them, then destroyed them.
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