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Going to Uni vs Not going to Uni

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Toxic Tears
You may want to try actually READING posts before replying. I never specifically said those who don't go to uni WILL have better career prospects than those who study non vocational degrees - I said they MAY, a difference you may want to try learning. Universities cater for both vocational and non vocational courses but it is a no brainer that someone studying a vocational course e.g. dentistry is more likely to get a graduate job than someone who did something non-vocational like English because their degree is SPECIFIC to a particular graduate job. If you specifically need that degree for you own particular career choice, in a way that is vocational so it doesn't detract from my point.


I suggest you try learning what "vocational" means, since you seem to be severely confused on the matter. I don't see any point in continuing this discussion when you don't know the meaning of the words you're using.
prospectivEEconomist
I don't care if the odds are against me. If you work hard, you will achieve what you want. Obviously, if you just get drunk and party all the time at uni, you don't deserve to get a graduate job.


What about those who work hard but are one of the 320,000 who didn't manage to get a graduate job? You can't assume that all those thousands of people didn't work hard.
Toxic Tears
What about those who work hard but are one of the 320,000 who didn't manage to get a graduate job? You can't assume that all those thousands of people didn't work hard.


Why are you assuming that they didn't get a job they're happy with just because it doesn't have the elusive title "graduate job"?

You seem to be obsessed with the concept of "graduate jobs" and pay no heed to what the job actually IS. I guarantee you that no English graduates are bothered by the fact that they have no chance of becoming a dentist with their degree. :rolleyes:
la fille danse
Why are you assuming that they didn't get a job they're happy with just because it doesn't have the elusive title "graduate job"?

You seem to be obsessed with the concept of "graduate jobs" and pay no heed to what the job actually IS. I guarantee you that no English graduates are bothered by the fact that they have no chance of becoming a dentist with their degree. :rolleyes:


Ok I'm not sure what exactly you're trying to prove - hell, that response wasn't even directed to you but was a reply to a different poster's response to my post. I stick by my other posts. And quote exactly where I said if someone "didn't get a job they're happy with just because it doesn't have the elusive title "graduate job"?" :rolleyes: I in no way implied that, I was simply stating facts to another poster before you butted in and tried to put words in my mouth. If you want to disagree with me, fine, but don't barge in and pretend that I said something I didn't.
In the end, people will do what degree they want and I'm simply putting forward my valid opinion that not everyone who goes to uni has an advantage over those who didn't. Just because I used English as an example of a non vocational subject (and I do English A level so I'm not just mindlessly bashing it), its not your cue to begin you childish arguments and neg repping. Grow up.
la fille danse
I suggest you try learning what "vocational" means, since you seem to be severely confused on the matter. I don't see any point in continuing this discussion when you don't know the meaning of the words you're using.


If you read my post you will see that I didn't actually say that English is vocational. If you read my previous posts, you would have known that I used English as an example of a non vocational subject so I wouldn't now say it's vocational would I? :rolleyes:
Toxic Tears
If you read my post you will see that I didn't actually say that English is vocational. If you read my previous posts, you would have known that I used English as an example of a non vocational subject so I wouldn't now say it's vocational would I? :rolleyes:


You said that if my career requires a degree, then English suddenly becomes vocational. That's not how it works, sweetie. And then there's the fact that you're planning on studying a non-vocational subject - makes me think that you don't actually know what vocational means.

And... I only neg repped you because you neg repped me first, love. That, and your "How about actually doing some research before spewing out crap and giving anonymous neg rep? " seemed a bit like an invitation. I'm the childish one, obviously... :rolleyes:

Try finishing school first before touting yourself as an expert on graduate employment...
la fille danse
You said that if my career requires a degree, then English suddenly becomes vocational. That's not how it works, sweetie. And then there's the fact that you're planning on studying a non-vocational subject - makes me think that you don't actually know what vocational means.

And... I only neg repped you because you neg repped me first, love. That, and your "How about actually doing some research before spewing out crap and giving anonymous neg rep? " seemed a bit like an invitation. I'm the childish one, obviously... :rolleyes:

Try finishing school first before touting yourself as an expert on graduate employment...


No I didn't - if you can't read my post, I won't bother explaining it to you.

Er, who said I was planning on studying a non vocational subject? You don't know what I plan, dear.

Try reading what actual graduates say before you comment.
Toxic Tears
No I didn't - if you can't read my post, I won't bother explaining it to you.

Er, who said I was planning on studying a non vocational subject? You don't know what I plan, dear.

Try reading what actual graduates say before you comment.


Erm, you did.

You have a lot of experience in the area of graduate employment, yeah? Seeing as I've just finished my non-vocational English degree, and I already have a graduate job lined up for September, I think I'll pass on taking the advice of a schoolgirl, thanks!
Toxic Tears
What about those who work hard but are one of the 320,000 who didn't manage to get a graduate job? You can't assume that all those thousands of people didn't work hard.


For starters, if you did work hard and got the grades, you would most likely be going to a good university which will open many doors. Do you really think all of the 400 000 students work hard? LOL
Toxic Tears
No I didn't - if you can't read my post, I won't bother explaining it to you.

Er, who said I was planning on studying a non vocational subject? You don't know what I plan, dear.

Try reading what actual graduates say before you comment.


By the way, what do you study and where, Mr perfect?
I didn't and now I am!
Toxic Tears
Problem is, there are 400,000 graduates and only 80,000 graduate jobs - specific or non specific.


Be that as it may (and I'd like to see some unbiased statistics before I take that as read) the question was whether a subject such as English could and would improve career prospects, not how many people are studying to degree level. X percentage of English graduates will get a graduate job within six months of completing their course; Y percentage will not. I don't believe it's my place to put people off studying that subject because they might fall into category Y rather than category X - it's their decision to make. By all means make them aware of the graduate prospects (which - as I can't stress enough - almost always refer to acquisition of a graduate job within a certain period of time) but I don't think people have the right to dictate to others about which subjects are "worth" studying and which are not - and I feel certain people on this thread were attempting to do that.
Reply 72
University will help enable you to acquire and develop other soft skills such as maturity, responsibility and self management. It is also an opportunity to party, sleep in, sometimes be a bit lazy and generally have fun.
Toxic Tears
Problem is, there are 400,000 graduates and only 80,000 graduate jobs - specific or non specific.


You know, neg repping someone because you can't make a decent response to something they've said is pretty poor form - especially when they've done nothing but raise an opposing view in a civil manner. :rolleyes:

Next time, either have the decency to respond with some sort of valid counter-argument, or at least avoid the cowardice of not signing your name when you neg rep.
Reply 74
I'm in the same boat too.I've taken a gap year,working and travelling abroad,and am STILL undecided about Uni.I've met lots of people and asked them all what they think would suit me and have had many different answers.I dont feel as if my parents think I could hack Uni,but my brother on the other hand who coinsidently didnt go to Uni really urges me to go to uni,he says if you got the grades at A-Level you might as well go.But its the debt factor thats so daunting,I don't like owing friends a tenner!So how would I cope with Uni debt.But I guess if it's a course that you feel will set you up for life then it's worth taking the chance.It's just finding that course...
And then there is ofcourse 'where to study?',which personally sometimes I think I restrict myself on.It sound niave but,I want to study somewhere that I like:London,Oxford(Brookes!lol),Birmingham.Then pick the course after you have decided on a Area/Town/City.
Reply 75
This thread has been cold for a year and a half. I'm going to close it- start your own thread if you wish to ask this question, it'll get better responses.