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It seems that a leave voter, most likely not a student perhaps a middle aged person has infiltrated TSR in hopes of brainwashing us young people into supporting the leave campaign especially in fears of a second referendum.

Just wanted to put this post out there since it seems like this individual has posted multiple posts endorsing Brexit and I want to even out the playing field and represent the majority of young people and students who want to REMAIN in the EU.

It’s astonishing that they are fearing the young people now lol power to us.

Who is else was not able to vote in the first referendum but would be able to if there was a second one?
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What does age have to do with it? Arguements stand on theit merits. Why do you support remain?
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What does age have to do with it? Arguements stand on theit merits. Why do you support remain?
Young people most likely to vote remain, most likely to have little life experience and be fresh out of or currently in a education system which pushes pro remain messages, I wonder why?
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I would be able to vote in a second referendum but I would vote to leave. Do you have any stats to support that most young people want to remain or is this just an assumption?
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If a second vote was to happen late next year then I would definitely vote remain. That age-old mindset that dates before the 50's and 60's of isolation and nationalism sort of scares me as an ethnic minority. Why does independence sound more appealing that unity for some people? To work as a collective seems so much better, healthier and easier for us all, but I think some fear the aspect of sharing the rewards of what we make as a collective. I live in such a welcoming, multi-cultural city up north and I would hate to see it ripped apart with things such as "You don't belong in this country, go back to where you came from" or "You're all stealing our jobs and our healthcare system" etc etc. I just pray that, even if the world laughs at us for not accomplishing what was promised, that we can one day come together as a country and not divided with 'stay' or 'leave'. It seems way too ambitious, but one has to be in this day and age.
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Young people most likely to vote remain, most likely to have little life experience and be fresh out of or currently in a education system which pushes pro remain messages, I wonder why?
Older people with fewer formal qualifications were most like to have voted leave, I wonder why?

Unless you study something to do with politics, or possibly economics, I don't actually think the education system pushes pro remain or pro brexit messages. Most young people don't necessarily study these subjects either in the UK education system, so I don't think this has a huge impact on young people generally being more pro remain.
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Voted to leave. Glad I did.
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I would be able to vote in a second referendum but I would vote to leave. Do you have any stats to support that most young people want to remain or is this just an assumption?
No young people did want to remain, you can see this if you look at the demographics of the 2016 referendum.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics...-britain-voted
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No young people did want to remain, you can see this if you look at the demographics of the 2016 referendum.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics...-britain-voted
Thanks for that, I’ve seen a lot of misinformation about the referendum so I just wanted to check
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Older people with fewer formal qualifications were most like to have voted leave, I wonder why?

Unless you study something to do with politics, or possibly economics, I don't actually think the education system pushes pro remain or pro brexit messages. Most young people don't necessarily study these subjects either in the UK education system, so I don't think this has a huge impact on young people generally being more pro remain.
You're absolutely correct but it was certainly that link, in fact I've spoken about that quite alot. Why is that, well you tell me while you are at it I wonder why they removed economics from the national curriculum!

I think you will find political messages are not always direct, in fact the advert 'if you don't do politics, you don't do much' is certainly true.
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I voted to remain but would vote to leave if it came to a second referendum

The argument goes that loads of young people denied a vote would all vote remain and a bunch of old people who voted leave will have died, therefore it'll be an easy win.

BUT a load of middle-aged remain voters will have become old since the last vote and will automatically vote leave next time - well they are old, now, so of course they'll vote leave.

Gooooooo stereotypes.
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You're absolutely correct but it was certainly that link, in fact I've spoken about that quite alot. Why is that, well you tell me while you are at it I wonder why they removed economics from the national curriculum!

I think you will find political messages are not always direct, in fact the advert 'if you don't do politics, you don't do much' is certainly true.
There’s a difference between causation and correlation... You really can’t conclude that the education system has pro remain messages causing young people to vote remain, just because there might be a link between the two. I’d be more inclined to think that older people are more pro brexit than young people as they grew up/lived in the UK pre EU when the UK was in several ways quite different from today.

Why they removed economics from the national curriculum? Not all students are interested in economics, it is a good subject to have some knowledge about, but why force students who don’t want to take the subject? Just like a bunch of other useful subjects, like history.

Haven’t heard of that advert.
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I would be just below the voting age if there was a second referendum, but if I could vote I would absolutely vote leave. The assumption that all young people want to remain in the EU also lacks evidence - in fact, after a vote at my school the other day, the overwhelming majority of students voted to leave - the only ones who wanted to remain were a small huddle of girls at the back whose only argument was: ‘Oh my God, we’ll die if we leave!’
I was fortunate enough to recently meet an EU Commissioner from Germany, who (though obviously devoutly pro-EU!) answered many of my questions about it, saying, among other things, that the EU ‘was never designed to be democratic’ though it may appear so to many unsuspecting people in Europe, and that the EU has drained and monopolised Britain, ultimately resulting in it being far weaker than it would have been had it not joined.
Also, as we are talking about listening to the voices of the young, let’s go back to 1973 for a moment, when Britain joined the Common Market. The Commissioner I spoke to said the British government was pressured into joining the EU - never once did the people have a say. This massively affected the futures of the youth back then, who are now dealing with the effects. Surely this was an appalling breach of democracy, whether you agree with the result or not?
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It seems that a leave voter, most likely not a student perhaps a middle aged person has infiltrated TSR in hopes of brainwashing us young people into supporting the leave campaign especially in fears of a second referendum.

Just wanted to put this post out there since it seems like this individual has posted multiple posts endorsing Brexit and I want to even out the playing field and represent the majority of young people and students who want to REMAIN in the EU.

It’s astonishing that they are fearing the young people now lol power to us.

Who is else was not able to vote in the first referendum but would be able to if there was a second one?
we must purify TSR from this abomination

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There’s a difference between causation and correlation... You really can’t conclude that the education system has pro remain messages causing young people to vote remain, just because there might be a link between the two. I’d be more inclined to think that older people are more pro brexit than young people as they grew up/lived in the UK pre EU when the UK was in several ways quite different from today.

Why they removed economics from the national curriculum? Not all students are interested in economics, it is a good subject to have some knowledge about, but why force students who don’t want to take the subject? Just like a bunch of other useful subjects, like history.

Haven’t heard of that advert.
https://youtu.be/zruGBWLk9s8

That's the advert mate, maybe a little old now.

I have no own thoughts on why economics was removed from the National curriculum. It's yet another Margaret Thatcher story that only effects the poor is the national curriculum. Anyway that's another topic, nice talking to you mildhan.
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I would be just below the voting age if there was a second referendum, but if I could vote I would absolutely vote leave. The assumption that all young people want to remain in the EU also lacks evidence - in fact, after a vote at my school the other day, the overwhelming majority of students voted to leave - the only ones who wanted to remain were a small huddle of girls at the back whose only argument was: ‘Oh my God, we’ll die if we leave!’
I was fortunate enough to recently meet an EU Commissioner from Germany, who (though obviously devoutly pro-EU!) answered many of my questions about it, saying, among other things, that the EU ‘was never designed to be democratic’ though it may appear so to many unsuspecting people in Europe, and that the EU has drained and monopolised Britain, ultimately resulting in it being far weaker than it would have been had it not joined.
Also, as we are talking about listening to the voices of the young, let’s go back to 1973 for a moment, when Britain joined the Common Market. The Commissioner I spoke to said the British government was pressured into joining the EU - never once did the people have a say. This massively affected the futures of the youth back then, who are now dealing with the effects. Surely this was an appalling breach of democracy, whether you agree with the result or not?
government wasn't really pressured to join as they actively wanted to. They attempted to on two previous occasion, 1963 and 1970 if I'm not mistaken. Also there was a vote, even thought it was following the actual entering of the EU it was still a vote with 2:1 voting remain
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government wasn't really pressured to join as they actively wanted to. They attempted to on two previous occasion, 1963 and 1970 if I'm not mistaken. Also there was a vote, even thought it was following the actual entering of the EU it was still a vote with 2:1 voting remain
Yes there was a referendum in 1975 of continued membership of the common market (the EEC)

Tony Benn fought to get it, a true socialist.
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Yes there was a referendum in 1975 of continued membership of the common market (the EEC)

Tony Benn fought to get it, a true socialist.
I'm sorry I don't follow, who is that.
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If a second vote was to happen late next year then I would definitely vote remain. That age-old mindset that dates before the 50's and 60's of isolation and nationalism sort of scares me as an ethnic minority. Why does independence sound more appealing that unity for some people? To work as a collective seems so much better, healthier and easier for us all, but I think some fear the aspect of sharing the rewards of what we make as a collective. I live in such a welcoming, multi-cultural city up north and I would hate to see it ripped apart with things such as "You don't belong in this country, go back to where you came from" or "You're all stealing our jobs and our healthcare system" etc etc. I just pray that, even if the world laughs at us for not accomplishing what was promised, that we can one day come together as a country and not divided with 'stay' or 'leave'. It seems way too ambitious, but one has to be in this day and age.
The idea of Leave = racism and intolerance was largely created by the Remain campaign to try to push people away from voting 'with that sort of person'... of course some were racist, I don't for a second believe 'average' leave voters feel the kind of sentiment expressed in your quotes. As a neutral on Brexit (I see positives and negatives of both options), one of the benefits that I see of leaving is the country becoming more open - everyone getting the same opportunity to come here, rather than the current system in which EU residents get automatic entry, while everyone else has to jump through hoops. Given migration is necessary, I'd expect the 'new' system to be somewhere between the two extremes we currently have, which I think will be much fairer for everyone.
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