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I believe we don't to a large extent.
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yes, while determinism is nice to believe sometimes it has no real basis.
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yes, while determinism is nice to believe sometimes it has no real basis.
I would say the same except about freewill
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I think there is some level of determinism in a lot of cases but we also have free will with a lot of decisions, so a bit of both really
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Here goes. Freewill is an illusion. Studies have shown given enough information we can know what you will "choose." Nothing you do is completely random not influenced by some prior invent hence "determined".
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I think there is some level of determinism in a lot of cases but we also have free will with a lot of decisions, so a bit of both really
Can you give an example? Free will being a will that is not informed by prior causes.
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to be fair, arguably we're all just saying what we hope to be the case.
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Can you give an example? Free will being a will that is not informed by prior causes.
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P1. For me to do an action freely, I must be able to refrain from doing it.

P2. If God knows what I will do before I do it, then it must be true that I will do that action.

C1. Therefore, it cannot be true that God knows what I will do before I do it and be true that I don't do that action.

P3. If I going to perform a particular action in the future, then nothing I can do will prevent that from coming true.

C2. Therefore, if God knows what I will do before I do it, then I cannot possibly refrain from doing that action.

C3. Therefore, if God knows what I will do before I do it, the action is not free.
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P1. For me to do an action freely, I must be able to refrain from doing it.

P2. If God knows what I will do before I do it, then it must be true that I will do that action.

C1. Therefore, it cannot be true that God knows what I will do before I do it and be true that I don't do that action.

P3. If I going to perform a particular action in the future, then nothing I can do will prevent that from coming true.

C2. Therefore, if God knows what I will do before I do it, then I cannot possibly refrain from doing that action.

C3. Therefore, if God knows what I will do before I do it, the action is not free.
works fine if you believe in an omniscient god. doesn't quite hold up otherwise
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works fine if you believe in an omniscient god. doesn't quite hold up otherwise
True; no theory is flawless. If there was one out there, we wouldn't be having this debate
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I believe we don't to a large extent.
I think @Fallacies got banned (against their will) thus proving their argument

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I think @Fallacies got banned (against their will) thus proving their argument

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It seemed a legitimate question
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It seemed a legitimate question
An interesting question too, but they were having a religious argument on another thread and I think someone got offended by their superior debating skills
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Everything we do is already determined isn’t it
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I think humans don't have free will. You are not the thinker of your thoughts. I like the way Sam Harris puts it: 'What are you going to think next?'. Every thought, every decision and every desire that you think YOU have or make is pre-determined by neuro-physiological processes which are completely beyond your control. Your brain, being the master regulator of your behaviour, is constantly reacting to your environment and the stimuli within it.

It seems to be all determinism plus randomness when you look at it objectively.
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I think Hume was largely right on this. It is a debate I struggle to get excited about; it doesn't make any difference to my lived life.
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No, but it can ironically be quite liberating once you accept this.
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don't know, don't care.
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We are only as free as society allows us to be.
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