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Any good MORAL justifications for meat eating?

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Original post by Eugene David
so what is your moral justification for eating any other thing like plants rather than eating meat?, I bet we can extend all your arguments about equality and sentience and immorality to give you justifications to not eat those things,.

No as plants don't have a central nervous system or a brain.

However, It could easily by said what is your moral justification for eating meat but not dogs or cats? We can extend the arguments you used about dog ans cats be eaten to the animals in the meat industry as well.
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Without suffering, how would pleasure make any sense?
Just as god created us so he could test us, we create livestock animals so we can test them. All animals are tested, but not all in the same way. It makes perfect sense if you just think about it.
That is to say play plants can't feel, can't think'etc. which is flaud because even though plants don't have a CNS they respond to stimuli, they grow, they reproduce, they move ,they feed, they move. The mere presence of the CNS is not the justification for sentence, it is the functions the CNS makes us portray and plants do portray same characteristics. And eerrmm on your dog and cat issue the problem is not that it could be easily said there is no difference in justification maybe the problem is that there is actually no recognisable distinct justification so then it shouldn't be mentioned at all.
Maybe to be fully healthy- i have been vegetarian for over 6 years, I suffer from anaemia and heart problems due to iron deficiency it sucks, but i would never go back to eating meat
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Original post by Trogloyte
Maybe to be fully healthy- i have been vegetarian for over 6 years, I suffer from anaemia and heart problems due to iron deficiency it sucks, but i would never go back to eating meat

You'd willingly chose to be unhealthy over eating the odd steak..?
Original post by Trogloyte
Maybe to be fully healthy- i have been vegetarian for over 6 years, I suffer from anaemia and heart problems due to iron deficiency it sucks, but i would never go back to eating meat

Are you sure there's no other underlying reasons to your anaemia? This is NOT a healthy way to live, please get help. I've been vegan for a while and have yet to suffer any deficiency
Original post by Napp
You'd willingly chose to be unhealthy over eating the odd steak..?

I take tablets and medicine to help, I now it sounds stupid but even if I wanted to I just would not be able to eat meat. It's easy for someone like you (I m guessing a meat eater?) to sound nonchalant about it but for e it is a lifestyle.
Original post by Obolinda
Are you sure there's no other underlying reasons to your anaemia? This is NOT a healthy way to live, please get help. I've been vegan for a while and have yet to suffer any deficiency

I have got help thankyou. Everyones body is different, what may affect me may not affect you vice versa.
Ive stayed in the hospital for weeks getting treatment and tests, I dont know if there are other underlying causes to my anaemia. I have always had heart problems since I was younger however, they seem to have gotten a tad worse. The only thing I can do is take the tablets and medicine they give me.
Original post by Trogloyte
I have got help thankyou. Everyones body is different, what may affect me may not affect you vice versa.
Ive stayed in the hospital for weeks getting treatment and tests, I dont know if there are other underlying causes to my anaemia. I have always had heart problems since I was younger however, they seem to have gotten a tad worse. The only thing I can do is take the tablets and medicine they give me.

Oh ok. That's good. Sorry for my initial comment, it was insensitive and inappropriate. I wasn't thinking
Original post by Obolinda
Oh ok. That's good. Sorry for my initial comment, it was insensitive and inappropriate. I wasn't thinking

I'ts all good.
Original post by elephantcactoo
Sure, it tastes nice, but that is by no means a moral argument. If one accepts:

p1: Morality should be based upon an equality of the interests of all being (in an attempt to reduce suffering).

p2: The non-human animals consumed by humans (except maybe oysters) have sentience, and by extension interests (ie not to feel pain and a desire to continue living).

c1: Eating meat, at least within this framework, is immoral as if one does not respect the interests of animals they are not respecting their right to an equality of interests.

Some might object to p2, for surely most non-human animals aren't, for the most part, aware of their fate and thus do not really suffer if they are killed quickly. To this I would ask whether, with the same reasoning, it is permissible to kill a human in a coma or brain-dead state, or even asleep, for they also would not have the additional suffering of anticipating their fate. Some might then argue the human life is more valuable than the animal's life, for we are more intelligent. Here, however, is a dilemma, for if the metric we use to judge the moral worth of an entity is its intelligence, why doesn't that then extend to human relations? For example, would Albert Einstein thus have a moral justification for enslaving and ultimately killing me or you because he likes the taste of our skin when barbecued, just because we are both less intelligent than him? If no, then intelligence, and all other arbitrary distinctions like race, gender and sexuality are not a suitable criteria for judging the moral worth of a being. This extends to species, for as aforementioned, they have a capacity for suffering and an interest not to suffer.

Some might then make the irrational claim humans are "intrinsically" more valuable than animals whether based upon some religious justification or out of being a speciest; both of which I am not interested in.

I'm hungry
Original post by elephantcactoo
Sure, it tastes nice, but that is by no means a moral argument. If one accepts:

p1: Morality should be based upon an equality of the interests of all being (in an attempt to reduce suffering).

p2: The non-human animals consumed by humans (except maybe oysters) have sentience, and by extension interests (ie not to feel pain and a desire to continue living).

c1: Eating meat, at least within this framework, is immoral as if one does not respect the interests of animals they are not respecting their right to an equality of interests.

Some might object to p2, for surely most non-human animals aren't, for the most part, aware of their fate and thus do not really suffer if they are killed quickly. To this I would ask whether, with the same reasoning, it is permissible to kill a human in a coma or brain-dead state, or even asleep, for they also would not have the additional suffering of anticipating their fate. Some might then argue the human life is more valuable than the animal's life, for we are more intelligent. Here, however, is a dilemma, for if the metric we use to judge the moral worth of an entity is its intelligence, why doesn't that then extend to human relations? For example, would Albert Einstein thus have a moral justification for enslaving and ultimately killing me or you because he likes the taste of our skin when barbecued, just because we are both less intelligent than him? If no, then intelligence, and all other arbitrary distinctions like race, gender and sexuality are not a suitable criteria for judging the moral worth of a being. This extends to species, for as aforementioned, they have a capacity for suffering and an interest not to suffer.

Some might then make the irrational claim humans are "intrinsically" more valuable than animals whether based upon some religious justification or out of being a speciest; both of which I am not interested in.


I don't accept p1, only moral agents (i.e. humans) should be given consideration. And even then, I would have reservations about it having to be equal.
I think people brush aside the moral implications of meat consumption because eating meat is so common and so convenient. If you were to introduce our meat industry into a world without one then I'm guessing people would dismiss it as barbaric, unnecessary and cruel.
Original post by SHallowvale
I think people brush aside the moral implications of meat consumption because eating meat is so common and so convenient. If you were to introduce our meat industry into a world without one then I'm guessing people would dismiss it as barbaric, unnecessary and cruel.

Fair point, to which I'd agree with.
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