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i am choosing between cardiff or leicester for medicine and cannot make up my mind... do any of you please have any additional pros or cons you know about the unis that I might want to consider? running out of time :/
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i am choosing between cardiff or leicester for medicine and cannot make up my mind... do any of you please have any additional pros or cons you know about the unis that I might want to consider? running out of time :/
I would use gut instinct and course structure, followed by geographic location. Also maybe what happens in clinical years? Do you have to change location or have the same home base, and does that matter to you ?
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leicester is integrated and Cardiff is CBL. At sixth form i preferred just taking notes myself from books as it went into my head easiest- is this most suited to CBL? But at the same time ik at leciester you just have half a day of lectures and the second half is private study which i think would also be good. Gut instinct is pretty neutral atm. Leicester is 1.5 hours away, Cardiff is 3. You have to move away in the clinical years at both unis... :/
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I would use gut instinct and course structure, followed by geographic location. Also maybe what happens in clinical years? Do you have to change location or have the same home base, and does that matter to you ?
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leicester is integrated and Cardiff is CBL. At sixth form i preferred just taking notes myself from books as it went into my head easiest- is this most suited to CBL? But at the same time ik at leciester you just have half a day of lectures and the second half is private study which i think would also be good. Gut instinct is pretty neutral atm. Leicester is 1.5 hours away, Cardiff is 3. You have to move away in the clinical years at both unis... :/
My daughter is at Leicester. She finds it difficult for knowledge to sink in at lectures and also likes making lots of notes. It's one of the main reasons she picked Leicester because you have time for self directed learning. I don't know how that compares with Cardiff.

In Clinical years your hospital attachments are Monday to Friday, some in Leicester (in blocks) and some in other locations (outblocks). For the outblocks you go with one or two friends of your choosing and stay in on site accommodation (similar style to Uni halls). Most people return to their home base in Leicester at weekends. At some Uni's you actually move location for 1-2 years.

Although it wasn't a main factor in her choice she is also one and a half hours from home. She loves how easy it is to get home for odd weekends to have a break from Uni life, or to do some concentrated study.

I can't really compare with Cardiff, but I'm sure it's a great place to study too. Mutmit287 is usually a good source of information for Cardiff.

Not sure if that helps at all.
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leicester is integrated and Cardiff is CBL. At sixth form i preferred just taking notes myself from books as it went into my head easiest- is this most suited to CBL? But at the same time ik at leciester you just have half a day of lectures and the second half is private study which i think would also be good. Gut instinct is pretty neutral atm. Leicester is 1.5 hours away, Cardiff is 3. You have to move away in the clinical years at both unis... :/
During your first years at cardiff you have a mixture of lectures and small group tutorials (in groups of 20-30). Alongside this you will also have case group where you spend 3 hours with a group of 12 people going over the learning outcomes and trying to answer them as a group. For me this was the most useful part of CBL. I am like you, i am much happier with the lecture recordings at home and going through them alongside a textbook and making my own notes. CBL on top of this was useful as in medicine there is so much to learn and i liked having my peers explain things in simple ways.

In clinical years in cardiff you will typically spend 1 placement block away from cardiff where you will live in hospital accommodation with the junior doctors. Placements are 8 weeks long. For the rest of the placements you will live in cardiff and be based at one of the local hospitals within commuting distance.

I also live 5 hours from cardiff, i would say unless you plan on going home every weekend it doesn’t really matter how far away you are because you will make the effort. I used to go home every 2-3 weekends with this commute.

Cardiff is a brilliant medical school - cant speak much for Leicester. Cardiff as city is vibrant and a great place to be. As Cardiff is a russel group it has got a lot of world class research going on (particularly in psychiatry and neuroscience) which you can get involved in to.

Ultimately if your decision ❤️
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During your first years at cardiff you have a mixture of lectures and small group tutorials (in groups of 20-30). Alongside this you will also have case group where you spend 3 hours with a group of 12 people going over the learning outcomes and trying to answer them as a group. For me this was the most useful part of CBL. I am like you, i am much happier with the lecture recordings at home and going through them alongside a textbook and making my own notes. CBL on top of this was useful as in medicine there is so much to learn and i liked having my peers explain things in simple ways.

In clinical years in cardiff you will typically spend 1 placement block away from cardiff where you will live in hospital accommodation with the junior doctors. Placements are 8 weeks long. For the rest of the placements you will live in cardiff and be based at one of the local hospitals within commuting distance.

I also live 5 hours from cardiff, i would say unless you plan on going home every weekend it doesn’t really matter how far away you are because you will make the effort. I used to go home every 2-3 weekends with this commute.

Cardiff is a brilliant medical school - cant speak much for Leicester. Cardiff as city is vibrant and a great place to be. As Cardiff is a russel group it has got a lot of world class research going on (particularly in psychiatry and neuroscience) which you can get involved in to.

Ultimately if your decision ❤️
Thanks for helping with the Cardiff aspect - very useful. I guess it demonstrates that there isn't a right or wrong choice for the OP - it just comes down to personal preference.

Just to add that world class research of course isn't restricted to Russell Group Uni's (who are a self selected group). Leicester isn't Russell Group, but their Department of Cardiovascular Studies and their Diabetes Research Centre both undertake research classed as "world leading". My guess is that most Universities with Medicine courses will have their own areas of medical research in which they specialise.
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Thanks for helping with the Cardiff aspect - very useful. I guess it demonstrates that there isn't a right or wrong choice for the OP - it just comes down to personal preference.

Just to add that world class research of course isn't restricted to Russell Group Uni's (who are a self selected group). Leicester isn't Russell Group, but their Department of Cardiovascular Studies and their Diabetes Research Centre both undertake research classed as "world leading". My guess is that most Universities with Medicine courses will have their own areas of medical research in which they specialise.
Absolutely - its so hard with medicine when choosing because the whole prestige aspect goes out the window as you end up with the same degree.

Only the OP can make a decision you are right.

When i have visited non russel group universities i have always thought the research side was lacking massively - but in saying that i have never been to Leicester university so cannot comment on them (maybe it was unfair for me to generalise)

I would personally look more into the area if OP cannot choose between courses - you will be there for 5-6 years so its worth choosing well. I made the right decision for me, but somebody else might have other preferences.
Its also worth looking at societies at the unions if you have any hobbies and seeing whether they cater to you there. The social side of uni is what will keep you sane so make sure you are happy with that to.

Best thing is write a pros and cons list for both - get it all on paper and weigh up your options.

If you need anymore info on cardiff OP let me know ❤️
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Absolutely - its so hard with medicine when choosing because the whole prestige aspect goes out the window as you end up with the same degree.

Only the OP can make a decision you are right.

When i have visited non russel group universities i have always thought the research side was lacking massively - but in saying that i have never been to Leicester university so cannot comment on them (maybe it was unfair for me to generalise)

I would personally look more into the area if OP cannot choose between courses - you will be there for 5-6 years so its worth choosing well. I made the right decision for me, but somebody else might have other preferences.
Its also worth looking at societies at the unions if you have any hobbies and seeing whether they cater to you there. The social side of uni is what will keep you sane so make sure you are happy with that to.

Best thing is write a pros and cons list for both - get it all on paper and weigh up your options.

If you need anymore info on cardiff OP let me know ❤️
Good advice as always.

Best of luck with your finals - stressful times !

btw my daughter's Finals aren't until 5th year, but it's the 4th year exams at the end of August this year which counts for the decile ranking. For Finals, they just need to pass. Not sure if that happens everywhere?

They have 4 weeks off to revise for the 4th year exams, which sounds better than your own timetable.
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Good advice as always.

Best of luck with your finals - stressful times !

btw my daughter's Finals aren't until 5th year, but it's the 4th year exams at the end of August this year which counts for the decile ranking. For Finals, they just need to pass. Not sure if that happens everywhere?

They have 4 weeks off to revise for the 4th year exams, which sounds better than your own timetable.
Thank you ❤️

Yea we sit our Finals OSCE in 4th year (and it counts for deciles to). In fifth year we just have 3 SBA exams but we have sat these since 2nd year so they are not to daunting now. Also they only count for distinction so nobody cares it seems.

Currently 3 weeks away from the exam and i am sat in a seminar about ophthalmology emergencies - this could come up in my exam and this is the first time im learning about it 😭.

We have 10 days off before the exam, i personally think its ridiculous for finals but hey ho.

One positive is i have passed my written so just this monster OSCE to go! I know i will be so thankful next year when finals are over and i can just focus on being a good F1
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My daughter is at Leicester. She finds it difficult for knowledge to sink in at lectures and also likes making lots of notes. It's one of the main reasons she picked Leicester because you have time for self directed learning. I don't know how that compares with Cardiff.

In Clinical years your hospital attachments are Monday to Friday, some in Leicester (in blocks) and some in other locations (outblocks). For the outblocks you go with one or two friends of your choosing and stay in on site accommodation (similar style to Uni halls). Most people return to their home base in Leicester at weekends. At some Uni's you actually move location for 1-2 years.

Although it wasn't a main factor in her choice she is also one and a half hours from home. She loves how easy it is to get home for odd weekends to have a break from Uni life, or to do some concentrated study.

I can't really compare with Cardiff, but I'm sure it's a great place to study too. Mutmit287 is usually a good source of information for Cardiff.

Not sure if that helps at all.
thanks, this is very helpful. Does the uni reimburse travel costs to placement at all? I know at Cardiff they put on bus services for their equivalent of 'inblock' placements. How does your daughter get to the placement at the start of her 'outblock'- by train? just interested to see how it works, thank you. Is she enjoying her time at leicester and what year is she in?
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During your first years at cardiff you have a mixture of lectures and small group tutorials (in groups of 20-30). Alongside this you will also have case group where you spend 3 hours with a group of 12 people going over the learning outcomes and trying to answer them as a group. For me this was the most useful part of CBL. I am like you, i am much happier with the lecture recordings at home and going through them alongside a textbook and making my own notes. CBL on top of this was useful as in medicine there is so much to learn and i liked having my peers explain things in simple ways.

In clinical years in cardiff you will typically spend 1 placement block away from cardiff where you will live in hospital accommodation with the junior doctors. Placements are 8 weeks long. For the rest of the placements you will live in cardiff and be based at one of the local hospitals within commuting distance.

I also live 5 hours from cardiff, i would say unless you plan on going home every weekend it doesn’t really matter how far away you are because you will make the effort. I used to go home every 2-3 weekends with this commute.

Cardiff is a brilliant medical school - cant speak much for Leicester. Cardiff as city is vibrant and a great place to be. As Cardiff is a russel group it has got a lot of world class research going on (particularly in psychiatry and neuroscience) which you can get involved in to.

Ultimately if your decision ❤️
ahhh great thanks for your help. it's a tricky one haha!
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Absolutely - its so hard with medicine when choosing because the whole prestige aspect goes out the window as you end up with the same degree.

Only the OP can make a decision you are right.

When i have visited non russel group universities i have always thought the research side was lacking massively - but in saying that i have never been to Leicester university so cannot comment on them (maybe it was unfair for me to generalise)

I would personally look more into the area if OP cannot choose between courses - you will be there for 5-6 years so its worth choosing well. I made the right decision for me, but somebody else might have other preferences.
Its also worth looking at societies at the unions if you have any hobbies and seeing whether they cater to you there. The social side of uni is what will keep you sane so make sure you are happy with that to.

Best thing is write a pros and cons list for both - get it all on paper and weigh up your options.

If you need anymore info on cardiff OP let me know ❤️
I've thought of a few more questions...

Am I right in thinking if you are at the Heath Campus for the day you will be there all day- and not have to switch to main campus for the afternoon for example?

Did you ever find that you missed information due to the CBL structure, whereas in lectures you know what you need to know?

And for placement, how did you get all across Wales- did you/ your friends have cars and is this common? Does the uni reimburse any petro/ travel costs- could you please tell me a little bit more about placements across the 5 years and how you get to each one.

How have you found the work-life balance at Cardiff across the 4 years you have been there?

In addition, I know the 5th year is the 'Harmonisation year'- do you pretty much have no uni work that year- it is practically like being a FY1 doctor?

Also, what accommodation did you have for first year, was it close to uni and what would you recommend?

Sorry for so many questions, once I got rolling i couldn't stop. Thank you so much in advance if you are able to answer them.
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thanks, this is very helpful. Does the uni reimburse travel costs to placement at all? I know at Cardiff they put on bus services for their equivalent of 'inblock' placements. How does your daughter get to the placement at the start of her 'outblock'- by train? just interested to see how it works, thank you. Is she enjoying her time at leicester and what year is she in?
For inblock there's a free hospital hopper bus which goes around all the sites. For outblock, there are typically 2-3 per year and mainly at Kettering, Northampton and Peterborough. You can claim expense reimbursement but my daughter thinks maybe it covers less than 50% of the cost. In practice, by the time you go on clinical placements there are usually enough people with cars that you can get a lift, and pay whoever drives a contribution towards their petrol, which is easily manageable. I guess the first day and last day of a block are the biggest challenge, dependent on how much stuff people want to take with them. As our family home is only one and a half hours away from Leicester, we have helped out sometimes with the beginning and end of the block - we see some other parents also doing that. None of my daughter's friends or people she knows have ever had to get the train. Once you're attending the block there's usually plenty of lifts available from people you didn't previously know.

My daughter's in 4th year. She also had offers from Nottingham and Birmingham, but has never regretted her choice. She enjoyed freshers and the first term (lots of partying etc). She now enjoys the Clinical years more than the first two years, which is a bit of a slog learning all the theory - I don't think that's an uncommon view.

I saw you asked about work-life balance, and my guess is that's the same whichever Uni you go to. Rather than complexity, it's the enormous volume of knowledge you have to absorb. I think people throughout still have a good time, but the partying drops off fairly quickly for most people, and it's hard work (which you know already). My impression is that work-life balance depends quite a bit on your attitude to study and your personal learning style. Some students write lots of notes flash card style and like to constantly consolidate in self directed learning time. Others seem much more chilled, write less detailed notes, then cram before exams. Both styles can work - my daughter's in the first camp and her boyfriend in the other, and they both do equally well.
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For inblock there's a free hospital hopper bus which goes around all the sites. For outblock, there are typically 2-3 per year and mainly at Kettering, Northampton and Peterborough. You can claim expense reimbursement but my daughter thinks maybe it covers less than 50% of the cost. In practice, by the time you go on clinical placements there are usually enough people with cars that you can get a lift, and pay whoever drives a contribution towards their petrol, which is easily manageable. I guess the first day and last day of a block are the biggest challenge, dependent on how much stuff people want to take with them. As our family home is only one and a half hours away from Leicester, we have helped out sometimes with the beginning and end of the block - we see some other parents also doing that. None of my daughter's friends or people she knows have ever had to get the train. Once you're attending the block there's usually plenty of lifts available from people you didn't previously know.

My daughter's in 4th year. She also had offers from Nottingham and Birmingham, but has never regretted her choice. She enjoyed freshers and the first term (lots of partying etc). She now enjoys the Clinical years more than the first two years, which is a bit of a slog learning all the theory - I don't think that's an uncommon view.

I saw you asked about work-life balance, and my guess is that's the same whichever Uni you go to. Rather than complexity, it's the enormous volume of knowledge you have to absorb. I think people throughout still have a good time, but the partying drops off fairly quickly for most people, and it's hard work (which you know already). My impression is that work-life balance depends quite a bit on your attitude to study and your personal learning style. Some students write lots of notes flash card style and like to constantly consolidate in self directed learning time. Others seem much more chilled, write less detailed notes, then cram before exams. Both styles can work - my daughter's in the first camp and her boyfriend in the other, and they both do equally well.
thanks so much for your reply. It's really helpful to have someone with this knowledge i'm glad your daughter's enjoying her time
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