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This is bigger than brexit
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They are just as bad as political protesters, who cares about climate change honestly people need to do work
Erm pretty much all of the scientific bodies in the world.If you pay the worlds most intelligent people to do science on your behalf and they tell you we're at a crisis point, then you should listen to them.I'm sure when we're all dying of suffocation because all the phytoplankton in the ocean are dead, the first thing you will be worrying about is work.
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In the meantime, China and the rest of the world are keeping their kids in classrooms and slapping them round the head if they start throwing tantrums instead of learning something real and that is why the West will soon be left for dead by the rest of the world. We'll be no match for anyone with our policies of dumbing down and turning our youth into pitiful vessels of emotion with no understanding of anything their handlers don't want them to understand. They are the only ones gaining from this, the ones whose existences depend on obliterating reason and replacing it with something else.

Why not go picket the Chinese embassy, they are causing a lot more damage to the environment than Theresa May? Nah, that would be too reasonable. Load of silly bull, all this.
Yes God forbid children do anything besides study.If you are really talking about emulating a totalitarian government like China; that's when you know you've lost the argument.
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"China is the worst offender and they're doing nothing / would crush protest".

China is only recently the worst generator of CO2 and other major climate change gasses - for many decades previously, the US was much worse and Europe was also worse than China. In the case of protest, the fact that we have some freedoms that they don't have makes it all the more important we use them. Also it's worth noting that China is trying quite hard to do something about the problem, has made it a major policy objective to cut CO2 output and has the largest non-CO2 emitting power programmes in the world.

"The protests are irksome and troublesome and I wish the police would just lock them up so my BMW doesn't get stuck in traffic."

There really is a genuine emergency now going on in the world - alarming drops in wild species, massive destruction of habitats and surging CO2 levels all point to something like armageddon in the not too distant future. We can either close our eyes and hope for the best whilst we continue to do nothing, or we can protest and we can pressure governments to do more.

"Just protesting in the UK is pointless, we only generate a small percentage of climate change".

The protests are truly global, yesterday more than a million people in 46 countries were protesting. The movement is growing and will continue to expand because people realise there now is a genuine emergency. In the UK, the political right has absorbed huge amounts of national attention on a pointless and reactionary policy, Brexit, ignoring much more serious issues.

"Leave it to governments and business - they will sort it out".

Although progress has been made, we are now on course towards near-certain mass destruction of our environment and quite probably, the end of modern civilisation. This is not something that either governments or business are taking nearly seriously enough. The big oil corporations are currently planning huge expansions of production into new fields. Our government is captured by certain financial interests who are indifferent to the issue.
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It's also the number of people on the planet that causes the problems, if we restricted everyone who wants children in the world to a maximum of two then this alone would help slow down climate issues by the fact we would have less people doing the damage and demanding the energy / plastic use.
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Climate campaigners plan to disrupt London airport at start of Easter bank holiday. The organisers of this week’s Extinction Rebellion climate protests have vowed to step up the campaign by targeting Heathrow airport, as three people look set to spend a month in prison for their alleged part in protests.
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...tests-continue

Be warned, anyone who my be disrupted.
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"China is the worst offender and they're doing nothing / would crush protest".

China is only recently the worst generator of CO2 and other major climate change gasses - for many decades previously, the US was much worse and Europe was also worse than China. In the case of protest, the fact that we have some freedoms that they don't have makes it all the more important we use them. Also it's worth noting that China is trying quite hard to do something about the problem, has made it a major policy objective to cut CO2 output and has the largest non-CO2 emitting power programmes in the world.

"The protests are irksome and troublesome and I wish the police would just lock them up so my BMW doesn't get stuck in traffic."

There really is a genuine emergency now going on in the world - alarming drops in wild species, massive destruction of habitats and surging CO2 levels all point to something like armageddon in the not too distant future. We can either close our eyes and hope for the best whilst we continue to do nothing, or we can protest and we can pressure governments to do more.

"Just protesting in the UK is pointless, we only generate a small percentage of climate change".

The protests are truly global, yesterday more than a million people in 46 countries were protesting. The movement is growing and will continue to expand because people realise there now is a genuine emergency. In the UK, the political right has absorbed huge amounts of national attention on a pointless and reactionary policy, Brexit, ignoring much more serious issues.

"Leave it to governments and business - they will sort it out".

Although progress has been made, we are now on course towards near-certain mass destruction of our environment and quite probably, the end of modern civilisation. This is not something that either governments or business are taking nearly seriously enough. The big oil corporations are currently planning huge expansions of production into new fields. Our government is captured by certain financial interests who are indifferent to the issue.
The people being disrupted are not the people with the authority to make the changes these people want. I can’t see that being an annoyance is a good way to turn people on to your cause.

Further, the whole thing is so petulant. The government doesn’t change things to the way you want them so you resort to petty crime
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Further, the whole thing is so petulant. The government does change things to the way you want them so you resort to petty crime
It's the ultimate example of what mob-rule can look like, a microscopic section of society disrupting it to a point where the established democratic institutions and everybody else in the land is expected to toe the line on something that would affect everybody. That they go out in the streets like this is not what's surprising, what is incredible is the conditioning of public perceptions that such anti-social behaviour is institutionally deemed acceptable. Everyone is made to believe it is a right to disrupt public life like this by people like the Mayor and the rest of the circus and of course it isn't. Where does it say that?

They're more than petulant, they're the type of people who see themselves as custodians of all truths and that everybody else in the world ought to just submit to their divine wisdom. All misery caused is justified, the ends always make up for it. That mindset has always existed and will never go away, there is a reason why we don't find any right-wingers among these gangs. Not even a Brexiteer, I'd have to see it to believe it.
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The people being disrupted are not the people with the authority to make the changes these people want. I can’t see that being an annoyance is a good way to turn people on to your cause.

Further, the whole thing is so petulant. The government does change things to the way you want them so you resort to petty crime
I'll agree that it should be directed to the people in power but it's hardly petulant.The world is effectively doing a Nero, fiddling while Rome burns.We've known about this for well over 100 years and little change is happening.Voting and petitions are not exactly doing anything.They are wasting their time on petty issues like Brexit even though this is a much bigger issue.The global destruction of the environment should be headline news not a few inches at the bottom of the page.
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Absolutely pointless and only affecting the normal working person trying to commute to work. You're also increasing CO2 emissions by creating large traffic congestion. Why don't you protest about things that affect us in everyday life such as the exceeding number of young people killing each other in London on a day-to-day basis.
Because this will effect us in daily life? Where do you think your grand kids are going to work if London or New York is underwater?
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They are wasting their time on petty issues like Brexit even though this is a much bigger issue.

They all recite that line, giving away that there's more to this game than it looks on the surface. In real terms, what this achieves is just the lighting of yet another fire under the government and the opening of another diversionary front that will go on very well with all the rest of the institutionalized attempt to sabotage Brexit. For that reason, public opinion is led to believe that all this is perfectly natural and even commendable by the usual media channels offering air time and the oxygen of publicity to them. They are the ones facilitating this, politicians.
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I'm sorry but there's more dangerous issues we face today in society than something which is being contributed to by a large portion through a natural cause. How do you think the Ice Age began and ended?
Sigh.The earth does go through cycles yes but these take place over thousands of years and are well understood.They don't take place in the course of a mere century.And we should actually be heading into an ice age right now.

It's not a coincidence that the warming we are seeing corresponds to the period after the industrial revolution and the highest Co2 levels in 800,000 years. Honestly do you think scientists are part of some big conspiracy? These are intelligent people.They don't go into science to make money.
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Can one of the hippies in this thread please clarify whether or not you actually believe that climate change will make us extinct. Specifically how it will kill us in the UK.
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I'll agree that it should be directed to the people in power but it's hardly petulant.The world is effectively doing a Nero, fiddling while Rome burns.We've known about this for well over 100 years and little change is happening.Voting and petitions are not exactly doing anything.They are wasting their time on petty issues like Brexit even though this is a much bigger issue.The global destruction of the environment should be headline news not a few inches at the bottom of the page.
You can’t force everyone to care about the issues you care about, I’m sure there are lots of issues people think warrant more attention. Like I said, disrupting people’s lives and being an annoyance isn’t going to win you many converts to your cause, if anything it’d be more likely to turn people off.
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You can’t force everyone to care about the issues you care about, I’m sure there are lots of issues people think warrant more attention. Like I said, disrupting people’s lives and being an annoyance isn’t going to win you many converts to your cause, if anything it’d be more likely to turn people off.
This. Also blocking things like the DLR (the most eco friendly mass transport system in the city) is like shooting yourself in the foot
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This. Also blocking things like the DLR (the most eco friendly mass transport system in the city) is like shooting yourself in the foot
Seems stupid to target public transport at all, if the tubes are delayed then I’ll have no choice but to drive
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Keep going Make a fuss, only way we are going to get change
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Another fact people are either unaware of or ignore is the fact that many scientists and professors at universities over the past 15 years who have taken the opposite view to Human behaviours impact being the major factor in climate change have in fact lost their funding and been silenced. When governments get the opportunity to create ever more tax reasons on an issue - they seize it.

It feels we are being duped! But let's say this is all down to human behaviour and our species is in jeopardy.

1. Why don't we agree globally to curb new birth rates as it is the number of people who are the real problem and
2. Why can we buy plug in air-freshners which require electricity that may have been made from burning gas! Surely these could have been banned years ago as it least one more small step to curbing unnecessary energy use! Maybe these eco warriors could focus on an issue like that and then feel good that they have made some progress - and it would be a real victory and help people think in another way.
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You can’t force everyone to care about the issues you care about, I’m sure there are lots of issues people think warrant more attention. Like I said, disrupting people’s lives and being an annoyance isn’t going to win you many converts to your cause, if anything it’d be more likely to turn people off.
Right yeah sure let's apply that logic to some similar issues right? Hey guys there is this massive asteroid coming to impact us we should really do something about it; but don't worry we won't force you to care about it.Hey guys we're going to have a massive pandemic but it's ok you can choose to ignore it if you want.Diversity of opinions and all that.Hey guys the planet is warming up leading to a massive collapse in ecosystems and mass extinction.Also the ice sheets will collapse and are collapsing, islands are being wiped out, hurricanes will become more severe as will drought and famine leading to mass migrations of refugees.Also lots of marine plankton responsible for half of all oxygen might die leading to our potential suffocation.Oh and lots of massive coastal cities will probably experience severe flooding making them unlivable.Dont worry though,we won't force the issue.
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Can one of the hippies in this thread please clarify whether or not you actually believe that climate change will make us extinct. Specifically how it will kill us in the UK.
Well it doesnt have to make us extinct to severely impact us does it? What's the point of spending trillions of dollars fighting something which you could have prevented happening entirely.And it's not really being a hippie.Nearly all the scientists in the world are on my side not yours.To ignore them would be foolish.We don't ignore them about anything else.When a doctor says you have cancer do we treat it or hope it goes away on it's own? The same science a doctor uses to predict cancers progression is the same science a climate scientist uses.They derive from exactly the same physics and chemistry.
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