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It won't work, like Article 13 won't. VPNs will be getting a lot of business in the future.
Agreed much like Article 13 they didn't really think about the feasibility of implementation , and yes demand for VPN will rise.
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what a stupid scheme xD
honestly more horny teens, oh lord !!

u18s will just find it easy to bypass it via proxy webs/ use twitter etcc
further, how are they meant to honestly verify it... *face palm*

I dont get how u cant watch porn until ur 18, but can be doing it at 16 as well....

I think they need to be concentrating on filtering out the weird stuff on the web rather than restricting all of it- thats if the gov really wants to make an impact anyhow
I just thought about how nasty those kids who throw bricks and set fire to stuff in my area will be if they can't even get their frustration out to porn.


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Most teens are rather tech savvy, so can get around this. (I’m about as tech savvy as hamster)
I'm not great either and I'm 22.
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can see the headlines, "UK Twitter account creation soars"
I got rid of Twitter but now it suddenly sounds appealing again.
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So.....

The only thing government has accomplished in three years, is not achieving brexit and looking into porn blocking.

Smooth move Westminster really impressive lot lol.
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It won't work, like Article 13 won't. VPNs will be getting a lot of business in the future.
By stealing and selling your secret information.

Student should be out on the streets protesting this attack on their rights.
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When I was saying 'incompetence', the technical side of things is what I was alluding to. But considering the recent steps the government has taken in relation to the internet, it's not unfounded to say that it's trying to bring the internet under it's control.

Of course, wanting to protect young children from sexually explicit material is a good idea. But it's not the government's responsibility. It's up to parents to limit access to certain websites and install an adblocker to stop explicit ads from appearing. I don't need the government to raise my children for me.
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Not so sure I'd call it an attempt to control something they know nothing about. I'm sure the government at least made a somewhat informed decision and the notion behind safeguarding children by limiting access to porn is perfectly reasonable. Nobody complains about the watershed on TV. As much as I'm behind the idea that the Internet is supposed to be a free, open and uncontrolled entity, I'm also well aware of the dangers it poses to young people.

The issue of incompetence is that the people making these decisions don't appear to be technically minded. They come up with ideas but don't actually think about the practical limitations of enforcing them. Trying to protect children from accessing porn at a young age isn't a bad idea. Trying to do it through porn pass or uploading a passport is.
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The government have heard of VPNs, right? Because tbh, not everyone who is over 18 will use the authentication software anyway. It's weird giving a porn site/the government that kind of info
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Something which most reputable VPNs aren't doing.

Although it doesn't really matter that much; as soon as the government catches wind of the VPN market skyrocketing, they will quickly make laws either making it a crime and forcing VPNs to forward data onto it, or just banning them entirely. If this porn pass rubbish actually gets implemented, VPNs will work for a few months. After that you'll have police at your door and the government will make VPNs out as some evil piracy/hacking tool that must be banned, and anyone caught using them will have insane accusations like DDoSing, pirating or some other *******s thrown at them. China who are known controllers of Chinese internet banned VPNs about a year ago; they will be the next step. The UK is the next China.

Also, although it should be happening, nobody is going to seriously go out and say they are in favour of porn. It's the perfect thing to target because nobody will publicly declare that they watch it and so there won't be any real vocal opposition. Hopefully democratic elections survive long enough for us to vote the ********s out. I always used to 'support' the tories (shiniest of turds) but now, if the labour, lib dems etc. are turds, the tories are a decomposing body
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By stealing and selling your secret information.

Student should be out on the streets protesting this attack on their rights.
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Technically yes, realistically probably not.

This is yet another one of the silly things about this. How does one define what percentage of a website is a certain content, in this case porn? Is it the number of videos? The length? Their size? How does any of that properly translate into another medium, such as a written Wikipedia article?
Maybe by the amount of traffic those pages have in comparison to the amount of traffic the porn has?

You're right though, it's ludicrous. This is a perfect example of a law made by people who don't understand technology. What better to expect from our Government, though? :rolleyes:
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how do i install a vnp on my computer?
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Also, something else I forgot to mention is that yeah sure, stopping young kids from getting porn is a good idea. But what are those kids gonna think when a page with big red letters says 'YOU MUST BE 18 OR OVER TO VIEW THIS WEBSITE. PLEASE ENTER YOUR DETAILS OR CODE OF PORNOGRAPHY PASS HERE.'? Probably, 'I wonder what this stuff is, I should try getting into it'. Children are curious creatures and will find ways around bans.
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do you think that they will block myvidster as well?
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When I was saying 'incompetence', the technical side of things is what I was alluding to. But considering the recent steps the government has taken in relation to the internet, it's not unfounded to say that it's trying to bring the internet under it's control.
That's not an issue unique to the UK government though. Article 13, various US issues, it's a worldwide problem.

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Of course, wanting to protect young children from sexually explicit material is a good idea. But it's not the government's responsibility. It's up to parents to limit access to certain websites and install an adblocker to stop explicit ads from appearing. I don't need the government to raise my children for me.
Problem is by that logic we would also not have age of consent, age restrictions on buying alcohol, tobacco, the watershed, etc. if it were purely down to parental responsibility. When it comes to technology the parents are actually far less informed than the children they're supposed to be protecting and it's unreasonable to expect the parents to be solely responsible.

The government arguably does have responsibility for safeguarding its vulnerable citizens.
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If it's deemed to have less than 1/3 of it's content be porn, then no. Although if it's a relatively unknown site it should be safe regardless. I imagine it will only be the big players like Pornhub and it's associates, Xvideos, XNXX etc. that will get blocked at first.

(Don't ask me why I know about so many porn sites)
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do you think that they will block myvidster as well?
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Maybe by the amount of traffic those pages have in comparison to the amount of traffic the porn has?

You're right though, it's ludicrous. This is a perfect example of a law made by people who don't understand technology. What better to expect from our Government, though? :rolleyes:
It's the same everywhere. Look at Zuckerberg explaining Facebook to Congress. "Senator, we run ads"

The intention at least is good, but the government element needs to be handled in tandem with people who know about the Internet. Otherwise it results in laughable solutions like this.
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When I was saying 'incompetence', the technical side of things is what I was alluding to. But considering the recent steps the government has taken in relation to the internet, it's not unfounded to say that it's trying to bring the internet under it's control.

Of course, wanting to protect young children from sexually explicit material is a good idea. But it's not the government's responsibility. It's up to parents to limit access to certain websites and install an adblocker to stop explicit ads from appearing. I don't need the government to raise my children for me.
Young children don't want to access porn.Its not like porn randomly drops onto your screen.You have to search for it.Anybody who actually searches for it seriously is probably old enough to see it.If they want to be taken seriously on this they should first sort out the discrepancy between age of consent and age of porn viewing.

They might also consider sorting out the ludicrous situation whereby taking a naked picture of yourself when under 18 is an offence.Taking a picture of yourself should not be considered as producing child porn.
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I never said it was only a UK problem. Of course, governments everywhere are trying to control the internet and some already have.

You could argue about those things, but I don't think porn is really the same. All those things apart from the watershed involve the child actually doing something that could be harmful to them, and with the watershed, parents are partially responsible for that because it's up to them to get their kids to bed before 9PM. With porn, it's just watching the sexual act, and in this day and age, the majority of children are introduced to 'real' sex by porn. I think children sort of know when they're ready to view things like that anyway, because they start looking for it; I know I did. Children don't typically search for sexually explicit material unless they want to see it. If a child doesn't want to see that kind of stuff, they won't look for it or they look away if it comes on spontaneously. Of course there are things like explicit ads popping up but things like that are solved by adblockers. Ime explicit adds usually only come up on dodgy streaming sites and porn sites themselves.

And yes, I'm well aware that most parents aren't as tech-savvy as their children. That's one of the things that make it sound like a not too bad idea. The trouble comes from the conservatives' motives. They have a history of being against porn and back in 2015 I believe, they outlined certain kinds of porn that they wanted to ban entirely. It never came to fruition but clearly the idea was still there. Then back in 2017 we have all the hate speech ******** laws that started targeting people for either stupid throwaway comments or genuine opinions. Restricting porn is just the next step to control of the internet. It's an easy way to build their base of external website blockers. After that, all they have to do is add new websites they don't like- I mean pose a threat to the public to their blocker. Trust me, there will be more categories of websites they ban. Next will probably be things like 4chan and liveleak. After that, they'll try and make it look like twitter and facebook are full of far-right scumbags or whatever and get rid of them, or turn them into a leftservative zombie form of it's current self. After that, they'll start targeting websites that routinely disagree with them, making them look extremist. This will continue until the UK internet is completely government-run and a lot of foreign websites are completely blocked (they won't go as far as NK as that would cause civil war as well as cyber war).

That is of course if they are voted back in in 2022 and 2027. Considering how bad Corbyn and SNP are (Ian Blackford is my new political enemy), and how little power the Lib Dems have, they probably will. Our country is run by complete idiots.
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That's not an issue unique to the UK government though. Article 13, various US issues, it's a worldwide problem.



Problem is by that logic we would also not have age of consent, age restrictions on buying alcohol, tobacco, the watershed, etc. if it were purely down to parental responsibility. When it comes to technology the parents are actually far less informed than the children they're supposed to be protecting and it's unreasonable to expect the parents to be solely responsible.

The government arguably does have responsibility for safeguarding its vulnerable citizens.
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Much agreed. I go on to mention this point in my next post.
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Young children don't want to access porn.Its not like porn randomly drops onto your screen.You have to search for it.Anybody who actually searches for it seriously is probably old enough to see it.If they want to be taken seriously on this they should first sort out the discrepancy between age of consent and age of porn viewing.

They might also consider sorting out the ludicrous situation whereby taking a naked picture of yourself when under 18 is an offence.Taking a picture of yourself should not be considered as producing child porn.
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Time to move to France. Oh **** brexit...
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France is not much better with all the political unrest
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Time to move to France. Oh **** brexit...
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Yeah but they're all addicted to sex so there's no way they'd restrict porn
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France is not much better with all the political unrest
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They have a history of being against porn and back in 2015 I believe, they outlined certain kinds of porn that they wanted to ban entirely. It never came to fruition but clearly the idea was still there.
Think that went through, it's now illegal to film stuff like facesitting and watersports in this country.
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