P91 – Implementation of direct democracy Watch

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P91 – Implementation of direct democracy, quirky editor
Implementation of direct democracy

People have lost activity in the Mhoc. This is a call upon the government to implement direct democracy to encourage participation.
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Ew no, direct democracy is stupid, it tells Bob down the street that his opinion and belief is just as valid and valuable as an expert of 25 years.
Absolutely not.
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Right, there are a few problems:
1) this has been shown time and time again not to increase participation, those who post in referendums are those who post generally
2) There is a limit on referendums per term
3) if the intention is to advertise with the wider site, good luck with that, the CT have historically been rather resistant because most people don't care and just complain when they keep getting PMs about us
4) The CT don't seem too bothered either. With our current referendum we don't have the UGs despite the fact that UG stuff was "needed" yesterday according to the time table and the last one was called off completely because the CT took so long and ****ed up so badly.
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I think there should be a clear basis upon which a referendum can be called, in a manner similar to Switzerland. Not just the whim of the House of Commons.
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We actually are having a referendum here in the MHoC for exactly this reason.
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We are doing that right now. So it’s a nay or abstain (which, incidentally would be my first of the term)
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Nay - firstly we are having a referendum in the MHoC, secondly I think that Quirky is conflating meta constitutional issues with regards to activity with what he believes should be implemented in RL U.K.

If you want to change the mechanics of the MHoC a partisan political item like a petition is inappropriate, an amendment should be drafted and seconded and voted upon; I question the wisdom of Saracen's Fez in accepting a meta constitutional item in this form as a petition.
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Nay - firstly we are having a referendum in the MHoC, secondly I think that Quirky is conflating meta constitutional issues with regards to activity with what he believes should be implemented in RL U.K.

If you want to change the mechanics of the MHoC a partisan political item like a petition is inappropriate, an amendment should be drafted and seconded and voted upon; I question the wisdom of Saracen's Fez in accepting a meta constitutional item in this form as a petition.
It's only a petition, it's only a debate on an idea, and we can have that debate here in an abstract and non-binding way.
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Ew no, direct democracy is stupid, it tells Bob down the street that his opinion and belief is just as valid and valuable as an expert of 25 years.
Absolutely not.
I don't agree with the idea that some votes are worth more than others.
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(Original post by Connor27)
Nay - firstly we are having a referendum in the MHoC, secondly I think that Quirky is conflating meta constitutional issues with regards to activity with what he believes should be implemented in RL U.K.

If you want to change the mechanics of the MHoC a partisan political item like a petition is inappropriate, an amendment should be drafted and seconded and voted upon; I question the wisdom of Saracen's Fez in accepting a meta constitutional item in this form as a petition.
I don't want direct democracy in real life
Hoc . Too impractical. Could work here.
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I don't want direct democracy in real life
Hoc . Too impractical. Could work here.
In that case I suggest an amendment to the relevant sections of the guidance document and constitution.
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In that case I suggest an amendment to the relevant sections of the guidance document and constitution.
How is that done?
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How is that done?
Saracen's Fez as Speaker, perhaps you could explain the amendment procedure.
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How is that done?
You need to first have a read through the Constitution and Guidance Document to find the bit you want to change or to decide what you want to add.

You should then draft an amendment that looks something a bit like this, setting out the changes you want to make.

Before you submit it to me for a debate, you need to find 5 MPs who are willing to put their names on it (from at least two parties). The amendment proposal thread is a good place to post your draft amendment and try to collect seconders, as well as to get feedback on your amendment before it gets put before the House.
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I’m always happy to second amendments in order to get a debate on them, even if I disagree with them. ☺️
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I don't agree with the idea that some votes are worth more than others.
Voters do you mean?
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Voters do you mean?
Yes. Democracy= majority rule. Not the people you agree with. If you're against democracy, that's a matter that is entirely different. Democracy is not bureaucratic elite rule. If you think voters are not adaquetely informed about certain issues then that is the fault of the state. It is not a reason to deny people democracy.
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Yes. Democracy= majority rule. Not the people you agree with. If you're against democracy, that's a matter that is entirely different. Democracy is not bureaucratic elite rule. If you think voters are not adaquetely informed about certain issues then that is the fault of the state. It is not a reason to deny people democracy.
No It isn't the fault of the state but the nature of the time.

No one person can ever hope to understand the myriad of issues the world faces. when every action has thousands of unintended consequences we cannot expect the lay person to understand all of politics, science, religion and world affairs.
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Voting for the sake of voting on the off chance someone takes an interest. I don't get it. That won't work
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No It isn't the fault of the state but the nature of the time.

No one person can ever hope to understand the myriad of issues the world faces. when every action has thousands of unintended consequences we cannot expect the lay person to understand all of politics, science, religion and world affairs.
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