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3) they are the only ones who tired to get my vote (door knocking)
Lol they desperate, have the results for your area come in?
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How is this bad for labour? the tories are literally melting in front of us to the Lib dems and Indies. I think at the end of this labour will have around the same number of seats ( pretty much its city strong holds and northern towns ) , but even then, lib dems taking control isnt that bad ( even though they already betrayed the students and i dont trust them to do anything; useless party; theyre aint gonna do nothing for brexit, they're just a bunch of talkers; whos days have passed ) and i dont mind indie people taking over, i think indie co-ops control over local government isnt bad.

Labout could have done better for sure, but i wanna see how everyone spins it as a massive lose for them and JC, when the tories have been handed a big L, compared to labour.

Also pretty glad i registered amd voted yesterday, the ward im in at UNI, labor won by 14 votes agaisnt the Lib dems. like to think 14 student got em in. ( why students still vote for Lib dems; i dont know; do they need to increase the 3x/x9 tuition fees again for everyone to remember how much of a traitor they are to the students ? )
I’m afraid that demonstrates a slight bias for Labour or lack of statistical awareness.

There is not a single example of an opposition losing net council seats the year before an election and winning.
There is not a single example of an opposition not holding the most councillors across England before winning an election.

Simply standing still is not good enough for Labour. Right now statistics strongly suggest they’d lose an election within the next year.

Even Miliband in 2011 and 2012 was piling up councillors.
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Be interesting to see if a lib Dem revival would be worse for Labour or Tories. You'd assume the former, as they target sort of similar demographics, but then again most of the Lib Dem Parliamentary targets and seats they lost in 2015 are in Tory areas.
It looks like most are in their old areas rather than new so it’s a case of folk in the south deciding they want the liberals back as the opposition over labour rather than a new liberal swathe across the country.
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I’m afraid that demonstrates a slight bias for Labour or lack of statistical awareness.

There is not a single example of an opposition losing net council seats the year before an election and winning.
There is not a single example of an opposition not holding the most councillors across England before winning an election.

Simply standing still is not good enough for Labour. Right now statistics strongly suggest they’d lose an election within the next year.

Even Miliband in 2011 and 2012 was piling up councillors.


It looks like most are in their old areas rather than new so it’s a case of folk in the south deciding they want the liberals back as the opposition over labour rather than a new liberal swathe across the country.
I agree the results are poor for Labour but I don't accept that council results are absolutely indicative of what will happen in a general election. As the last election showed, you can pile up support in a matter of weeks during a general election.

Miliband did far better than Corbyn in the local elections but much worse in the general election.
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I agree the results are poor for Labour but I don't accept that council results are absolutely indicative of what will happen in a general election. As the last election showed, you can pile up support in a matter of weeks during a general election.

Miliband did far better than Corbyn in the local elections but much worse in the general election.
Normally I might agree but there are dozens of elections to build a case and they all say one thing.That normally means there’s a reason and few people think Corbyn can repeat a surge now that he is a known quantity.
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Normally I might agree but there are dozens of elections to build a case and they all say one thing.That normally means there’s a reason and few people think Corbyn can repeat a surge now that he is a known quantity.
Perhaps. But politics is unpredictable. I do think though if we ever get beyond Brexit it will favour Corbyn. In fact the main reason he surprised people last time was that the debates and manifestos largely ignored Brexit and focused on NHS/schools/social care etc. Topics on which Corbyn's genuine passion shines through.

If the Tories continue to implode then Labour might be able to cobble a government together with SNP/Lib Dems.

Though I accept a Labour majority under Corbyn is unlikely.
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I’m afraid that demonstrates a slight bias for Labour or lack of statistical awareness.

There is not a single example of an opposition losing net council seats the year before an election and winning.
There is not a single example of an opposition not holding the most councillors across England before winning an election.

Simply standing still is not good enough for Labour. Right now statistics strongly suggest they’d lose an election within the next year.

Even Miliband in 2011 and 2012 was piling up councillors.


It looks like most are in their old areas rather than new so it’s a case of folk in the south deciding they want the liberals back as the opposition over labour rather than a new liberal swathe across the country.
tbf I think you have to factor in Brexit, and at this point of Uk politics It pretty weird ( as we can see with the Lib dem resurge and indie co-ops ) I was just unsure what would happen. But it seems labours kept its cities and northern town strongholds and got a little here and there. The day has yet to end and ill be interested in the full results but im glad they didnt tank, they wouldnt have been good at all for labour. At the end of the day, i want the tories to figure out that they now have to be forced to work with labour and meet a middle ground if anything is gonna happen with brexit and this will hopefully shows it.

Definitely an interesting election and it'll be interesting to see how it ends.
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Perhaps. But politics is unpredictable. I do think though if we ever get beyond Brexit it will favour Corbyn. In fact the main reason he surprised people last time was that the debates and manifestos largely ignored Brexit and focused on NHS/schools/social care etc. Topics on which Corbyn's genuine passion shines through.

If the Tories continue to implode then Labour might be able to cobble a government together with SNP/Lib Dems.

Though I accept a Labour majority under Corbyn is unlikely.
I suspect that if we get past Brexit the bulk of the Tory vote will recover, the bigger question is whether a Brexit in this parliament is possible.

Up in the air I agree.
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Poor on the part of Labour, horrendous on the part of the Tories. Remain parties, especially the Lib Dems, have really flown, what a set of results so far.

Tories could genuinely lose over 1000 seats.
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(Original post by rimstone)
How is this bad for labour? the tories are literally melting in front of us to the Lib dems and Indies. I think at the end of this labour will have around the same number of seats ( pretty much its city strong holds and northern towns ) , but even then, lib dems taking control isnt that bad ( even though they already betrayed the students and i dont trust them to do anything; useless party; theyre aint gonna do nothing for brexit, they're just a bunch of talkers; whos days have passed ) and i dont mind indie people taking over, i think indie co-ops control over local government isnt bad.

Labout could have done better for sure, but i wanna see how everyone spins it as a massive lose for them and JC, when the tories have been handed a big L, compared to labour.

Also pretty glad i registered amd voted yesterday, the ward im in at UNI, labor won by 14 votes agaisnt the Lib dems. like to think 14 student got em in. ( why students still vote for Lib dems; i dont know; do they need to increase the 3x/x9 tuition fees again for everyone to remember how much of a traitor they are to the students ? )
Lol if you think this is awful for the rotors and not bad for labour think again.
Labour should be easily winning 1000 plus new seats if they are the people’s choice for a new government whenever the next election is.

The conservatives in polar opposite to that should lose that number of seats in normal times after being in power so long! Add brexit to the mix as well......
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I agree the results are poor for Labour but I don't accept that council results are absolutely indicative of what will happen in a general election. As the last election showed, you can pile up support in a matter of weeks during a general election.

Miliband did far better than Corbyn in the local elections but much worse in the general election.
Miliband didn’t have a robot and a policy of the dementia tax as his opposition either......
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Lol if you think this is awful for the rotors and not bad for labour think again.
Labour should be easily winning 1000 plus new seats if they are the people’s choice for a new government whenever the next election is.

The conservatives in polar opposite to that should lose that number of seats in normal times after being in power so long! Add brexit to the mix as well......
A good example of performance is Cameron. Across the 06-07-08-09 local elections he not only won all 4 on vote share and seat gains but headed into 2010 with almost 12,000 Councillors. Corbyn has ~6500 and is still behind the Tories.

While he did not have a majority that was ultimately a statistical quirk. If May was 7% ahead in an election like 2010, we'd be sat on a majority of more than 50.
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Lol if you think this is awful for the rotors and not bad for labour think again.
Labour should be easily winning 1000 plus new seats if they are the people’s choice for a new government whenever the next election is.

The conservatives in polar opposite to that should lose that number of seats in normal times after being in power so long! Add brexit to the mix as well......
as the day unfolds i gotta agree with you, labour could have done better for sure; gains of , +100-300 seats would have been nice. I honestly didnt think the Lib dems were gonna be a problem and win this well, guess i was wrong. I've gotta look into their policies and see what theyre about nowadays. Anyways i need to revise .
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Curtis has calculated the projected national vote.

Con: 28% (-7%)
Lab: 28% (-1%)
Lib: 19% (+8%).
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There has certainly been a very high level of electoral fraud. There s no way that `UKIP could perform that badly.

The establishment are up to there usual tricks.
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Lol they desperate, have the results for your area come in?
Forgot to reply to this. Tories won my ward and the council comfortably
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Forgot to reply to this. Tories won my ward and the council comfortably
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