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Hey you lot,
so im stuck between convincing my parents as right now in college im doing an IT Level 3 BTEC course for computer hardware, I get the same (or better) qualifications as being a Cyberspace Communication Specialist, at college I get distinctions with ease, not to be cockey but its just not difficult at all, we had a whole topic on literally just installing software and I decided enough was enough and that I knew I was joining as soon as I finished college but if im getting the same qualifications why not leave? I believe that Employers after RAF would understand as it shows im a determined worker as I left college for more of a challenge that would push me to my limit and help me fulfill my potential as a Engineer, all advice is welcome sorry for being salty in my past posts im new to the Armed Forces info etc, but I have obviously looked into everything in full detail but just need some advice at this stage.

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How far into the qualification are you? The joining process can be 6-9 months, so you could always apply whilst doing your qualification and still get the qualification whilst you wait? If it's that easy then you might as well😁 plus there's no guarantee you'll get into the forces, so it might not be worth quitting your course too
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Exactly, I'm still in first year and am going to be in second year in September, however if I have to drop out in 2nd year to do phase 1 training and phase 2 training would it be worth it to just drop out of first year as soon as its complete?
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How far into the qualification are you? The joining process can be 6-9 months, so you could always apply whilst doing your qualification and still get the qualification whilst you wait? If it's that easy then you might as well😁 plus there's no guarantee you'll get into the forces, so it might not be worth quitting your course too
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Exactly, I'm still in first year and am going to be in second year in September, however if I have to drop out in 2nd year to do phase 1 training and phase 2 training would it be worth it to just drop out of first year as soon as its complete?
If you were to apply now, you might not be starting training until the end of this year/beginning of next, or perhaps even later. Granted it might be earlier but there's no way to tell. I'd just apply, go through the application process and continue your studies, and if you are at a point where you might as well hold off starting until you finish your studies then you can play it by ear.
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I would carry on, if you fail selection or training you will have a qualification to fall back on.
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Finish your studies and then apply. It is a very long winded process getting into any of the armed forces nowadays. Plus its an extra string in your bow to fall back on. That said, if you reckon this trade is easy or boring, why not finish this course and then apply to the RAF for a completely different role. I've been in your shoes before and I know it sounds ludicrous now but you'll be laughing at the choice of jobs you have when you come of the forces if you hold more quals!
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I am a idiot, the post was supposed to say that I would be applying for the RAF while being in college, the only thing is I dont know if I can get time off of college when doing the phase 1 training.
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I would carry on, if you fail selection or training you will have a qualification to fall back on.
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Could I apply while still being at college?
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Finish your studies and then apply. It is a very long winded process getting into any of the armed forces nowadays. Plus its an extra string in your bow to fall back on. That said, if you reckon this trade is easy or boring, why not finish this course and then apply to the RAF for a completely different role. I've been in your shoes before and I know it sounds ludicrous now but you'll be laughing at the choice of jobs you have when you come of the forces if you hold more quals!
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Could I apply while still being at college?
I don't see why not, when you next have a free morning/afternoon head down to your local AFCO, explain your situation to the RAF guys and gals there and they MIGHT try get you loaded onto basic (assuming you pass the interviews medical etc) as soon as you finish your 2nd year! Worst they can say is no and if that happens they should point you in the right direction 🤙
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(Original post by Y333EEE)
I don't see why not, when you next have a free morning/afternoon head down to your local AFCO, explain your situation to the RAF guys and gals there and they MIGHT try get you loaded onto basic (assuming you pass the interviews medical etc) as soon as you finish your 2nd year! Worst they can say is no and if that happens they should point you in the right direction 🤙
Basic training is usually timed so there is as little time as possible between finishing Phase 1 and starting Phase 2.
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I am a idiot, the post was supposed to say that I would be applying for the RAF while being in college, the only thing is I dont know if I can get time off of college when doing the phase 1 training.
Do you understand what Phase 1 training is? If you're given a place, college goes out the window; you'll have been accepted on the grounds on having the required qualifications and you don't need anything further. You're either joining up or finishing your studies. Thete might be a bit of flexibility over your start date for Basic, but the RAF try to align it with Phase 2, so they won't want you to keep pushing dates back and have a long hold for a specialist course that is held infrequently.

Back to your original question, you will get a qualification with the RAF if you get through selection and basic training and specialist training and complete all the tasks required for your apprenticeship in your first tour. That's a long time and a lot of unknowns.

I saw a lot of people in my AFCO who had given up everything to focus on joining the RAF and sat in the office crying when they failed at the first hurdle and didn't score enough at AST for any roles they wanted, or were put on medical hold or failed the medical; they'd dropped out of college or given up their jobs and had else nothing to do.

As others have said, finish your college course to get a qualification to fall back on. However, there's nothing to stop you applying during college if you work out how long the selection process could take (min 6 months) and time it so you apply that you'll have finished your studies when training could start. You will need time off for the various stages of selection, though.
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Basic training is usually timed so there is as little time as possible between finishing Phase 1 and starting Phase 2.
As someone who has been through the process with the army, it is something I am acutely aware of. The gist of what I said earlier was OP goes the careers office, explains his situation and hopefully get the ball rolling so he can start out going for the RAF soon as he's done his 2nd year in college
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(Original post by Y333EEE)
As someone who has been through the process with the army, it is something I am acutely aware of. The gist of what I said earlier was OP goes the careers office, explains his situation and hopefully get the ball rolling so he can start out going for the RAF soon as he's done his 2nd year in college
Ok, its the way you're phrasing things that made it unclear to me.

Saying 'try to get you loaded on to Basic as soon as you've finished your second year' makes it sound like maybe someone could apply, then wait between being accepted and starting training, if they wanted to finish college.
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I've almost completed phase 2, in the same trade you're considering joining. Feel free to pm me any questions.

An extra qualification is always a good thing especially if you were to leave the RAF at some point, so you need to weigh up the pros and cons as I don't think you would get more funding to re-attend college if it didn't work out. Also make sure you can pass a medical and the fitness standards before actually leaving college.

Capita can be a nightmare depending on your previous medical history so it's definitely worth staying in college until you get past the medical and PJFT.

A pro to joining the IT trade right now is the golden hello of £5,000 if you attest by March 2020, but definitely have a think about if its what you want to do, I'd recommend the YouTube diaries of basic training (Chris Marchant)
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Cheers means alot, how is phase 2 training? Is it more simplicity and just learning how to operate a new device or is it a whole new learning curve?
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I've almost completed phase 2, in the same trade you're considering joining. Feel free to pm me any questions.

An extra qualification is always a good thing especially if you were to leave the RAF at some point, so you need to weigh up the pros and cons as I don't think you would get more funding to re-attend college if it didn't work out. Also make sure you can pass a medical and the fitness standards before actually leaving college.

Capita can be a nightmare depending on your previous medical history so it's definitely worth staying in college until you get past the medical and PJFT.

A pro to joining the IT trade right now is the golden hello of £5,000 if you attest by March 2020, but definitely have a think about if its what you want to do, I'd recommend the YouTube diaries of basic training (Chris Marchant)
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As someone who applied for the RAF at the very start of second year at college i can tell you i got through all the stages to my fitness test, failed twice one from lack of preparation and a second accidentally catching the emergency stop very near to completion of the run, then in the 4 week wait for a third attempt broke my arm. i have since finished college and become a qualified dental nurse and now i've finally got my filter interview for into next week.

During the first application my AFCO kept telling me that there is no guarantee of when i will start basic training and i have to decide what is more important to me college or RAF.

If i had quit college during the application process i would not have the skills and or qualifications to become an officer and it would have limited my potential that i have now.
In short if you are sure it is what you want to do then go for it, however do not quit college until you have your dates for basic training because as my case proves not everything works out the way you think it will, but it might work out better in the end.
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