M537 - Motion on the Opposition to Donald Trump's State Visit Watch

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Motion on the opposition to Donald Trump's State Visit, thestudent33 MP
This House calls upon the Government to use all preventative measures available to them to stop the prime minister of the USA coming to the UK for his state visit. This House condemns the distasteful actions and policies of the President and opposes his visit to the UK
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Nay! We should not no platforms those who certain people disagree with. He is the president of out closest ally, the United States. Not some tinpot dictator from murderville
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Who's the author of this motion? CatusStarbright

And lol ''prime minister of the USA'' :rofl: :toofunny:
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I disagree with this. He is a head of state and the US is a close ally. It is okay to disagree with his politics but he needs to be afforded the respect befitting his position.

My opinion would probably be different if he were committing genocide or something, but he is not.
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(Original post by Mr T 999)
Who's the author of this motion? CatusStarbright

And lol ''prime minister of the USA'' :rofl: :toofunny:
Ah I did not realise that wasn't on there. I'll pop it on now.
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Can I ask who submitted this please CatusStarbright?

Also to the motion itself, lol no, we’ve accepted the heads of oppressive states like Singapore, China and Turkey for state visits; Donald Trump’s sins pale in comparison to some of theirs.
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Can I ask who submitted this please CatusStarbright?
It's on there now.
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thestudent33 why I'm not surprised :rolleyes:
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Although opinions differ surrounding his character, he was duly elected to the office of President of the United States - one of our most important strategic allies. Nay.
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Abstain.

President Trump does not deserve a state visit. Indeed, state visits have been used and abused for some of the worst, most authoritarian leaders in the world. He may not be one of those, but he stands against our country and our allies on the Paris Agreement, he stands against our people and our tolerant values on Islam and he is not to be trusted.

President Trump does deserve an ordinary working visit to the UK. He is a leader of one of our key allies and a country we want to pursue a trade deal with. We need to work with him, but we certainly should not accept his bigotry and unwillingness to work with the international community. We shouldn't let him overshadow other events at the time, and I don't much like the thought of him and Her Majesty The Queen in a room together.

I will only vote for this if it is made clear that this house is in opposition to a state visit, but in favour of an ordinary working visit. I would also like acknowledgement that we have abused state visits, but that it doesn't mean we can't start with President Trump. This rude man isn't somebody we should be sucking up to and if it takes his exuberance to stop sucking up to bigots and poor leaders, so be it.
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Where was your objection when the Chinese Premier came on a state visit? He is putting Uighur Muslims in concentration camps. And as much as I despise Trump, none of the terrible things he has done are at that level of horrificness.

Your motion also makes no sense - why would you call on the government to ‘prevent Trump from entering the UK by any means possible’ when they’re the ones who invited him? A motion to rescind the invitation would make far more sense.
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Where was your objection when the Chinese Premier came on a state visit? He is putting Uighur Muslims in concentration camps. And as much as I despise Trump, none of the terrible things he has done are at that level of horrificness.

Your motion also makes no sense - why would you call on the government to ‘prevent Trump from entering the UK by any means possible’ when they’re the ones who invited him? A motion to rescind the invitation would make far more sense.
Indeed, President Xi’s men have been caught on camera raping Uyghur Muslim women and forcing pork down their throats to eat... yet apparently Donald Trump is somehow worse than that.
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(Original post by LeapingLucy)
Where was your objection when the Chinese Premier came on a state visit? He is putting Uighur Muslims in concentration camps. And as much as I despise Trump, none of the terrible things he has done are at that level of horrificness.

Your motion also makes no sense - why would you call on the government to ‘prevent Trump from entering the UK by any means possible’ when they’re the ones who invited him? A motion to rescind the invitation would make far more sense.
I oppose giving President Xi a state visit along with President Trump, and for that matter other leaders such as Jair Bolsonaro and Viktor Orbán.

I agree that President Trump should be allowed in the country, and I believe that he should be given an ordinary working visit and that we should merely rescind the invitation and change the terms of his visit.
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No, we should welcome President Trump.
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Of course he should be allowed to visit.

He is a controversial figure yes, but he is not a brutal dictator by any means.
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What a joke this is, block Trump in a position that doesn't exist from visiting because the proposers disagree with some things he did, although seem unwilling to say what exactly. We've also had state visits from China 3 times in the last two decades and from Putin, in 1994 the Queen hosted Mugabe and in 1992 the Sultan of Brunei (that one that brought back stoning for the gays) with Mubarak the year before.

The US is our closest ally and one with which we have a deep and special relationship, the notion that the "Prime Minister" should be rejected because some people don't like some things he's done is absurd and in reality just means there should be no state visits ever for I doubt there is a single head of state out there that has not done, or wants to do, something that some people won't like.
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Ahem Ahem.

Let me just say that I put together this motion in my break - which is five minutes - this should explain the errors I made in the wording, such as prime minister instead of president. :blushing: Also, this is only my second serious motion so please do bear with me - I'm learning!

However, I will be doing a second reading of this if that's possible, not too sure how it works.

On the point of the visits from the Chinese Premier can I just say that I would unfailingly recreate the same motion for him too but I wasn't around at the time of his visit so that should explain it.
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(Original post by Andrew97)
Nay! We should not no platforms those who certain people disagree with. He is the president of out closest ally, the United States. Not some tinpot dictator from murderville
It's a matter of opinion
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(Original post by Mr T 999)
Who's the author of this motion? CatusStarbright

And lol ''prime minister of the USA'' :rofl: :toofunny:
Apologies
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(Original post by CatusStarbright)
*Comments as MP*

I disagree with this. He is a head of state and the US is a close ally. It is okay to disagree with his politics but he needs to be afforded the respect befitting his position.

My opinion would probably be different if he were committing genocide or something, but he is not.
As Saunders16 pointed out, if necessary give him a working visit he doesn't deserve a state visit
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