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In Islam if you love someone sincerely does Allah help you to be with that person?
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Maybe sometimes, but more importantly I think; you can think you love someone and they would not be the best match for you. So Allah would prevent you from being with that person because it is not good for you or there's someone else that would be better.
I believe in situations like that it's best to pray esteshara (I butchered the English spelling but: دعاء الاستخارة) and be happy/accept whatever happens.
I believe in situations like that it's best to pray esteshara (I butchered the English spelling but: دعاء الاستخارة) and be happy/accept whatever happens.
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No, if you love someone you should approach them, whatever the reaction happens to be isn't up to you or anyone else, just the person you've approached.
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In a way yes, because Allah wants you to be happy at the end of the day
In a way yes, because Allah wants you to be happy at the end of the day
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(Original post by QE2)
You have it the wrong way round. In Islam, Allah determines who you will love and if you will be with them. You have no say in the matter (even if you feel you do). The outcome of all events is inevitable. You can only do and think what Allah has already decreed you will.
You have it the wrong way round. In Islam, Allah determines who you will love and if you will be with them. You have no say in the matter (even if you feel you do). The outcome of all events is inevitable. You can only do and think what Allah has already decreed you will.
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But not everyone is happy and as the outcome of all events is determined by Allah, he must want some people to be unhappy.
But not everyone is happy and as the outcome of all events is determined by Allah, he must want some people to be unhappy.
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It's not inevitable, you can change destiny according to islam too.
It's not inevitable, you can change destiny according to islam too.
Of course you have a say, Allah made humans to have free will.
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How can you change destiny? It would mean that Allah did not know what was going to happen!
We can't have free will if Allah is infallibly omniscient and determines the outcome of all events. Think about it.
How can you change destiny? It would mean that Allah did not know what was going to happen!
We can't have free will if Allah is infallibly omniscient and determines the outcome of all events. Think about it.
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THeyre not happy because life is a test those who pass the sadness will rewarded
THeyre not happy because life is a test those who pass the sadness will rewarded
And life cannot be a test because Allah already knows all the results because he decreed what they will be.
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How can you change destiny? It would mean that Allah did not know what was going to happen!
We can't have free will if Allah is infallibly omniscient and determines the outcome of all events. Think about it.
How can you change destiny? It would mean that Allah did not know what was going to happen!
We can't have free will if Allah is infallibly omniscient and determines the outcome of all events. Think about it.
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I dont think you understand the concept of free will. We choose what we do, but God knows what we will do.
I dont think you understand the concept of free will. We choose what we do, but God knows what we will do.
2. Allah can never be wrong.
3. Therefore, at any given moment there is only one possible "choice" we can make - the one Allah already knows we are going to make.
4. As every thought and action is inevitable, and it is impossible for us to do any other, we have no free will - even though it may seem that we are freely choosing.
Example:
Allah knows you are going to have chicken chow mein for dinner at the restaurant on Tuesday.
When you read the menu, you feel as if you are able to freely choose anything you like.
However, it is impossible for you to choose anything other than chicken chow mein. Your choice is inevitable, despite it feeling like free-will.
If you chose anything else, you would have proved Allah wrong, and that is impossible.
Simply by having infallible foreknowledge, Allah removes our free will - although we are unaware that it has been removed.
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(Original post by QE2)
1. Allah already knows what we are going to do for every thought and action. He has known since before creation.
2. Allah can never be wrong.
3. Therefore, at any given moment there is only one possible "choice" we can make - the one Allah already knows we are going to make.
4. As every thought and action is inevitable, and it is impossible for us to do any other, we have no free will - even though it may seem that we are freely choosing.
Example:
Allah knows you are going to have chicken chow mein for dinner at the restaurant on Tuesday.
When you read the menu, you feel as if you are able to freely choose anything you like.
However, it is impossible for you to choose anything other than chicken chow mein. Your choice is inevitable, despite it feeling like free-will.
If you chose anything else, you would have proved Allah wrong, and that is impossible.
Simply by having infallible foreknowledge, Allah removes our free will - although we are unaware that it has been removed.
1. Allah already knows what we are going to do for every thought and action. He has known since before creation.
2. Allah can never be wrong.
3. Therefore, at any given moment there is only one possible "choice" we can make - the one Allah already knows we are going to make.
4. As every thought and action is inevitable, and it is impossible for us to do any other, we have no free will - even though it may seem that we are freely choosing.
Example:
Allah knows you are going to have chicken chow mein for dinner at the restaurant on Tuesday.
When you read the menu, you feel as if you are able to freely choose anything you like.
However, it is impossible for you to choose anything other than chicken chow mein. Your choice is inevitable, despite it feeling like free-will.
If you chose anything else, you would have proved Allah wrong, and that is impossible.
Simply by having infallible foreknowledge, Allah removes our free will - although we are unaware that it has been removed.
Bad example but the point is God knowing everything does not restrict our free will in any way
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(Original post by CaCoon)
God exists outside of time. Imagine creating a simulation, and you see everything that will happen. Now if you replay that simulation, you never actually cause what happens in it but you know what will happen.
Bad example but the point is God knowing everything does not restrict our free will in any way
God exists outside of time. Imagine creating a simulation, and you see everything that will happen. Now if you replay that simulation, you never actually cause what happens in it but you know what will happen.
Bad example but the point is God knowing everything does not restrict our free will in any way
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For example, if I am looking for a job and a job opportunity comes my way I will ask Allah to grant me this job if it is good for me. I will then continue to look in to this job to assess from my perspective and understanding whether this job seems good for me or not, and then I will apply if I feel it is. If I do not get a position then alhamdolillah, if I do get a position then alhamdolillah. I have done my best, done my research, my intention was pure, and I asked Allah to grant me it if only it is good for me.
You can apply the same scenario to your question. Don't let emotional attachment or just looks be the basis of your decision, but rather look at what you really should be looking for in a spouse which is:
- Someone who shows importance to the deen and wants to expand their Islamic knowledge
- Someone with good character
- and then someone who you are attracted to because you should also be attracted to the person you wish to spend the rest of your life.
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(Original post by Anonymous)
Humans can consciously make decisions, therefore we have free will.
Humans can consciously make decisions, therefore we have free will.
Just because Allah knows all and knows what we are going to do doesn't mean we won't chose that decision consciously.
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(Original post by CaCoon)
God exists outside of time. Imagine creating a simulation, and you see everything that will happen. Now if you replay that simulation, you never actually cause what happens in it but you know what will happen.
God exists outside of time. Imagine creating a simulation, and you see everything that will happen. Now if you replay that simulation, you never actually cause what happens in it but you know what will happen.
Simple.
Bad example
but the point is God knowing everything does not restrict our free will in any way
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The muslim should make dua to Allah for guidance and for Allah to bring closer things or people that are good for them, and to distance things or people that are bad for them.
The muslim should make dua to Allah for guidance and for Allah to bring closer things or people that are good for them, and to distance things or people that are bad for them.
Firstly, that doesn't seem very likely as I'm sure that, being infallible, Allah's plan will be better than ours. Second, if Allah did change his plan after he had made it, then at some point he couldn't have known what was going to happen. He was seeing his plan unfolding whereas it was actually going to be someone else's.
For example, if I am looking for a job and a job opportunity comes my way I will ask Allah to grant me this job if it is good for me. I will then continue to look in to this job to assess from my perspective and understanding whether this job seems good for me or not, and then I will apply if I feel it is. If I do not get a position then alhamdolillah, if I do get a position then alhamdolillah. I have done my best, done my research, my intention was pure, and I asked Allah to grant me it if only it is good for me.
It's an insoluble paradox created by the desire for Allah to be omni-everything and control everything, as well as for man to have free will so heaven and hell make sense. The two are simply mutually exclusive.
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