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You know this country actually let’s fighters back in the country. People who fought on the front line for ISIS. She was just a house wife… I’m not taking her side but there’s just so much hypocrisy I have a bigger issue with ISIS killers coming back to Britain than an ISIS house wife.
I wouldn't be surprised if this housewife pulled the trigger on someone's head, she is right we have no evidence of her actually killing anyone but wouldn't be surprised if evidence of her killing someone comes to light. You just have to look at her face, along with those low cold eyes to know she really doesn't give a **** of what she has done. And she has the nerve to demand sympathy from us lol
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So she says.There is no evidence she was just a housewife.British Intelligence sources have actually claimed she helped stitch bombs on suicide bombers.To be realistic there is no way these people coming back will enhance society in any way.
I agree but the media is overplaying her case. Why is no one focusing on the FIGHTERS and masterminds of ISIS that have just slipped back in or still hold their citizenship?
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I wouldn't be surprised if this housewife pulled the trigger on someone's head, she is right we have no evidence of her actually killing anyone but wouldn't be surprised if evidence of her killing someone comes to light. You just have to look at her face, along with those low cold eyes to know she really doesn't give a **** of what she has done. And she has the nerve to demand sympathy from us lol
Haha absolutely, I wouldn’t disagree. But there are documented people returning to this country that are known killers, so it’s just a double standard. The media should be uncovering these people and forcing the government to act instead of focusing on her. The only crime we can convict her of is living under ISIS (I don’t even know if that’s a crime?) mean there are enemy’s of this country and war criminals who have normal lives in this country, I wouldn’t be surprised if most have financial support from the government.
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But there are documented people returning to this country that are known killers
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Did I quote you? I'm just making a valid point. There's people who sympathise for her, the mind boggles.
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I’m sorry was that addressed to me? Where did I say I had sympathy for her?
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Did I quote you? I'm just making a valid point. There's people who sympathise for her, the mind boggles.
You addressed a ‘you’ in my thread, it’s not a large leap of logic.
Aye indeed there are. On the flip side they provide an excellent example par excellence for forced sterilisation.
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No I'm definitely not talking about you. I'm addressing everyone in the thread individually.
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You addressed a ‘you’ in my thread, it’s not a large leap of logic.
Aye indeed there are. On the flip side they provide an excellent example par excellence for forced sterilisation.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8017811.html

It was also suggested by intelligence agencies mate, they didn’t give numbers but the head of MI6 came out with a warning against ISIS returnees and said under the law they did hold a right to return
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8017811.html

It was also suggested by intelligence agencies mate, they didn’t give numbers but the head of MI6 came out with a warning against ISIS returnees and said under the law they did hold a right to return
A couple of things i feel should be pointed out;
1) The aforementioned agencies havent said any 'ISIL masterminds' have returned (at least to the best of my knowledge)
2) This is a somewhat different case at any rate, and one that shouldnt be compared to this tarts one, she was an infamous national poster child for the group - whilst the other ones in a similar position are dead or imprisoned - so of course she is going to get a higher public profile on the matter.
As to the other returnees well thats up to the SIS [or whomever] to deal with. Strangely enough i imagine theyre not willing to share these details with the jackals of fleet street so how can they be expected to report on what they know not of?
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A couple of things i feel should be pointed out;
1) The aforementioned agencies havent said any 'ISIL masterminds' have returned (at least to the best of my knowledge)
2) This is a somewhat different case at any rate, and one that shouldnt be compared to this tarts one, she was an infamous national poster child for the group - whilst the other ones in a similar position are dead or imprisoned - so of course she is going to get a higher public profile on the matter.
As to the other returnees well thats up to the SIS [or whomever] to deal with. Strangely enough i imagine theyre not willing to share these details with the jackals of fleet street so how can they be expected to report on what they know not of?
I used killers in almost every post and you point out the one where I say masterminds? How you know these killers weren’t the mastermind of a ground battle? I thought we was assuming the worst here? I never said commanders or ISIS officials. Mastermind isn’t an official position but someone comes up with an idea/attack they’re the mastermind, you’re telling me In all odds these killers weren’t the mastermind behind any battles or ideas? What a rubbish argument, this is why you shouldn’t focus on small points to catch someone out. It’s irrelevant and makes you look like a fool

Second of all ISIS never made them poster girls, it was the UK media that did that. She was a poster girl for what this country was going through with it’s inability to stop radicalisation, the others managed to slip away without getting the media attention she got but she didn’t sign up for it… another stupid point.

And no it’s down to the government to design a policy on how to deal with them. Many intelligence officials have the details but can’t do anything under UK and EU law.

All I got from your reply was we should assume the worst of Shamima because the media are having fun with her and we should ignore, or even assume the best since we don’t want to assume they actually plotted or contributed ideas in combat, the real threat of ISIS fighters and killers because the SIS are handling it?
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I used killers in almost every post and you point out the one where I say masterminds? How you know these killers weren’t the mastermind of a ground battle? I thought we was assuming the worst here? I never said commanders or ISIS officials. Mastermind isn’t an official position but someone comes up with an idea/attack they’re the mastermind, you’re telling me In all odds these killers weren’t the mastermind behind any battles or ideas? What a rubbish argument stop trying to seem intelligent it’s not your look.
Lol is the best you can do really try and call me an idiot? I mean bless you thats really quite cute given you seem to know nothing of the groups structure and the fact some halfwit flying from London to join ISIS is not going to be a strategic commander. There's a good reason ISIS was packed with Saddam's RG. So umm yeah I am telling you the odds of a a disafected teeneger or 20 something prat heading to the Levant being a strategic wizz are remote, at best.
Second of all ISIS never made them poster girls, it was the UK media that did that. She was a poster girl for what this country was going through with it’s inability to stop radicalisation, the others managed to slip away without getting the media attention she got but she didn’t sign up for it… another stupid point.
Do you have a point, beside defending terrorists?
Yeah, course it is
And no it’s down to the government to design a policy on how to deal with them. Many intelligence officials have the details but can’t do anything under UK and EU law.
Are you being intentionally dense or do you really think the services have nothing to do with monitoring and having them arrested?
All I got from your reply was we should assume the worst of Shamima because the media are having fun with her and we should ignore, or even assume the best since we don’t want to assume they actually plotted or contributed ideas in combat, the real threat of ISIS fighters and killers because the SIS are handling it? Stop trying to sound smart, it clearly doesn’t fit your look.
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That would probably be because you havent a clue what you're talking about bar defending the poor ickle terrorist girl.
Go back and read the comment, you might actually learn something.
Equally stop using ad-homimems, especially recycling them, we get that you dont know much about this topic but that is a particularly foolish way of demonstrating your ignorance on; the group, strategy, UKIC etc. If it helps i'd be more than happy to forward you a basic book on the topics so you don't utterly humiliate yourself again ?
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Lol is the best you can do really try and call me an idiot? I mean bless you thats really quite cute given you seem to know nothing of the groups structure and the fact some halfwit flying from London to join ISIS is not going to be a strategic commander. There's a good reason ISIS was packed with Saddam's RG. So umm yeah I am telling you the odds of a a disafected teeneger or 20 something prat heading to the Levant being a strategic wizz are remote, at best.

Do you have a point, beside defending terrorists?
Yeah, course it is

Are you being intentionally dense or do you really think the services have nothing to do with monitoring and having them arrested?
That would probably be because you havent a clue what you're talking about bar defending the poor ickle terrorist girl.
Go back and read the comment, you might actually learn something.
Equally stop using ad-homimems, especially recycling them, we get that you dont know much about this topic but that is a particularly foolish way of demonstrating your ignorance on; the group, strategy, UKIC etc. If it helps i'd be more than happy to forward you a basic book on the topics so you don't utterly humiliate yourself again ? [/QUOTE]

First of all, your first ‘points’ were just pathetic, thankfully you’ve given something worth replying to. You do realise most fighters loyal to Saddam only joined ISIS as a matter of survival? It was more political than ideological, the new government was ready to kill and imprison them, they’re not part of the radicalisation issue being discussed in this thread. These are the people who will die with ISIS, this has been acknowledged by many researchers on ISIS. The ones who have been radicalised are like cancer and will pop up again under a new name/attempt to influence.

The bottom line with the fighters is they killed and tortured people, and they were masterminds in how they did that. They know how to behead a person, they know to torture someone. You seem obsessed with the word mastermind as if you’re trying to defend them as mindless blind followers? If anything you’re the terrorist sympathiser given your underestimates of their capabilities and willingness to overlook their crimes.

Oh you mean the same intelligence that had Salman Abedi on their radar but couldn’t prevent his attack in Manchester? Once again it’s down to government policy as it currently stands our intelligence has little authority when it comes to terrorist suspects or returnees.

So according to your infinite knowledge ‘Jihadi John’, a foreign ISIS fighter had no involvement in plotting and planning for ISIS? You seem very hung up on my one time use of the word mastermind… it’s all you seem to have to go off?

Evidently you’d rather join the media circus around Shamima and turn a blind eye to the threat of murders and war criminals returning to the UK with an intelligence agency that couldn’t prevent Salman Abedi, Khuram Shazad Butt, Rachid Redouane (who even had warnings about radicalisation and plots from Imams and his own community), Youssef Zaghba, Khalid Masood and I could go on with attackers in Europe known to intelligence agencies that got away with their plots despite close monitoring.

I don’t get your argument here, are you saying we should fear Shamima more than the ISIS fighters living in the UK? And we shouldn’t give the fighters any attention instead we should give it to Shamima to help the Media’s agenda of making her a poster girl? Why exactly are you arguing with me besides being triggered by the word mastermind?
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That would probably be because you havent a clue what you're talking about bar defending the poor ickle terrorist girl.
Go back and read the comment, you might actually learn something.
Equally stop using ad-homimems, especially recycling them, we get that you dont know much about this topic but that is a particularly foolish way of demonstrating your ignorance on; the group, strategy, UKIC etc. If it helps i'd be more than happy to forward you a basic book on the topics so you don't utterly humiliate yourself again ?
First of all, your first ‘points’ were just pathetic, thankfully you’ve given something worth replying to. You do realise most fighters loyal to Saddam only joined ISIS as a matter of survival? It was more political than ideological, the new government was ready to kill and imprison them, they’re not part of the radicalisation this has been acknowledged by many researchers on ISIS.
Is that a fact? How so?
Oh don't be so obscenely reductionist. Not to mention the political and the ideology stand side by side, broadly speaking, when it comes to ISIL.
As for your comment at large? You'll excuse me if i discard it. I said nothing about the RG having any political or ideological leanings one way or the other. I said they formed the original core group and brought their specialist training to ISIS. If you're going to try and argue some random side point at least make it relevant.
The bottom line with the fighters is they killed and tortured people, and they were masterminds in how they did that. They know how to behead a person, they know to torture someone. You seem obsessed with the word mastermind as if you’re trying to defend them as mindless blind followers? If anything you’re the terrorist sympathieser given your underestimates of their capabilities and willingness to overlook their crimes.
It doesnt take a genius to kill or torture someone.
What on earth are you replying to here? Are you just spouting random statements to try and make it look like you didnt stick your foot in it?
Oh you mean the same intelligence that had Salman Abedi on their radar but couldn’t prevent his attack in Manchester? Once again it’s down to government policy as it currently stands our intelligence has little authority when it comes to terrorist suspects or returnees.
The services have hundreds if not thousands on their radar, whats your point? Government policy is fairly immaterial here are you cant plant people on a vague hunch - hence why theyre on watch lists. I'm not sure if you're familiar with the British justice system but its customary to have evidence on someone that could stand up in a court of law before you can do anything about it. Unless you have envy countries in less desirable places of the world where they simply remove anyone they feel the need to.
So according to your infinite knowledge ‘Jihadi John’, a foreign ISIS fighter had no involvement in plotting and planning for ISIS? You seem very hung up on my one time use of the word mastermind… it’s all you seem to have to go off?
Its becoming increasingly hard to follow your frankly bizarre thought train here. No one has ever claimed 'jihadi john' was (to use your word) a mastermind of anything.
Evidently you’d rather join the media circus around Shamima and turn a blind eye to the threat of murders and war criminals returning to the UK with an intelligence agency that couldn’t prevent Salman Abedi, Khuram Shazad Butt, Rachid Redouane (who even had warnings about radicalisation and plots from Imams and his own community), Youssef Zaghba, Khalid Masood and I could go on with attackers in Europe known to intelligence agencies that got away with their plots despite close monitoring.
Yes, sure. Why not? It seems easier to humour your shrill conspiracy whining than actually debate anything with you.
As for your quaint little list, are you trying to make a point or just demonstrate you know how to use the copy and paste function from google?
I don’t get your argument here, are you saying we should fear Shamima more than the ISIS fighters living in the UK? And we shouldn’t give the fighters any attention instead we should give it to Shamima to help the Media’s agenda of making her a poster girl? Why exactly are you arguing with me besides being triggered by the word mastermind?
Go read my original comment, it isnt rocket science to be able to digest what i wrote. However, you seen to be having some trouble so i'll put it into even simply terms for you. I said she has more media exposure because SHE IS KNOWN TO THE MEDIA the other returnees ARE NOT and that is why she is getting more column inches.
Apparently im arguing with someone who cant read a rather simple comment and has taken it as a personal slight against her, which is rather cute if nothing else, as my original comment simply addressed why you were wrong. You thus seem to have made it your mission here to prove beyond doubt that you really know absolutely nothing about this topic and have some weird sympathy for a terrorist by constantly harping on about the big bad media being mean to her.

However, on that note im afraid im going to have to leave you as i've used up all the time i have today for banging my head against a wall arguing with someone manifestly to ignorant to debate with. I thus bid you a good evening.
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Lol is the best you can do really try and call me an idiot?
Now that is truly ironic.
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