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He should get a pat on the back, not the sack.
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Well he did give the moped guy a "pat on the back" xD
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If it is determined that a policeman can't adhere to his own professional standards and doesn't know how fast he is going, he should be replaced with someone with more awareness and discipline.
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Stupid, he should get a bonus, this vermin (mopeds) is a threat and diminishing the powers of the police is not helping at all. If anything they should be given guns to shoot at the tyres of the mopeds, when they try to speed off.
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I'm surprised a police officer in UK is getting suspended, however nothing will happen to him as Police always look after there own.
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Stupid, he should get a bonus, this vermin (mopeds) is a threat and diminishing the powers of the police is not helping at all. If anything they should be given guns to shoot at the tyres of the mopeds, when they try to speed off.
The police struggle with shooting stationary targets without hitting bystanders, I wouldn't trust them to be moving and shooting a moving target.
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(Original post by Trotsky's Iceaxe)
If it is determined that a policeman can't adhere to his own professional standards and doesn't know how fast he is going, he should be replaced with someone with more awareness and discipline.
From the Mail article, it's hard to tell why they are bringing this case against him as he was indeed following agreed protocols.

It will be interesting to see what happens, but this sounds a bit like other cases where individual police officers are pursued by the complaints people for protecting the public and dealing firmly or decisively with very dangerous criminals, often at grave risk to themselves. Eventually we reach a point where the police can no longer defend us from predatory criminality. This is already the case in many areas due to severe and ongoing budget cuts to the police.
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They are given specialist training; we cannot pretend we understand how far he deviated from this in performing this technique.
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Sir Robert Peel must be turning in his grave given how the police force has turned out. there's institutionalized racism, corruption, undercover officers having children with unsuspecting women as part of their cover and they leave the women and children as soon as they achieve their undercover objective, cuts to the number of officers, stagnant salaries, highest homicide rate in London for 2018 alone, terrorist attacks and the list goes on. This is the Great Britain of today.
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Decahedron Jamesman1

Sir Robert Peel must be turning in his grave given how the police force has turned out. there's institutionalized racism, corruption, undercover officers having children with unsuspecting women as part of their cover and they leave the women and children as soon as they achieve their undercover objective, cuts to the number of officers, stagnant salaries, highest homicide rate in London for 2018 alone, terrorist attacks and the list goes on. This is the Great Britain of today.
Who is Peel?
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They are given specialist training; we cannot pretend we understand how far he deviated from this in performing this technique.
It seems from the article at least that he didn't have the approval to carry out the manoeuvre that he did.
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Who is Peel?
He was one of the great Prime Ministers of the UK who did two terms and also created the police force. Very different from Theresa May, the geography graduate who was previously the disaster of a Home Minister.
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The police struggle with shooting stationary targets without hitting bystanders, I wouldn't trust them to be moving and shooting a moving target.
That's complete nonsense, you have to do a substantial amount of training before carrying a firearm. How many people get shot from random police crossfire?
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That's complete nonsense, you have to do a substantial amount of training before carrying a firearm. How many people get shot from random police crossfire?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48201085

They hit a bystander in the head with a stray round and injured several with shrapnel.

Great shooting boys.
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I don’t like this policy of ramming moped drivers, I think it will lead to a lot of injuries and lawsuits against the police.
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Ironically it's the police themselves who sue police forces more than anyone.


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I don’t like this policy of ramming moped drivers, I think it will lead to a lot of injuries and lawsuits against the police.
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(Original post by Decahedron)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48201085

They hit a bystander in the head with a stray round and injured several with shrapnel.

Great shooting boys.
A one off when someone was running around with an improvised suicide vest, they did the right thing given the circumstances.

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I don’t like this policy of ramming moped drivers, I think it will lead to a lot of injuries and lawsuits against the police.
God forbid anyone might get injured, I'd much rather they carried on going around stabbing people. :rolleyes:
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I don’t like this policy of ramming moped drivers, I think it will lead to a lot of injuries and lawsuits against the police.
To be frank, the moped thieves often swing circular saws and knives at people. So I doubt that them being injured will be a problem to anyone.

Also the police consider it "tactical contact" as a police officer driving a car, stopping a moped is hard, sometimes this is the only way. It can come under reasonable force.
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This was always the inevitable outcome of this new tactic by the Met, and they should've had enough sense to realise without first obtaining the necessary legal protections for using such a tactic, it would be a bad idea to do so.

In any case, it's use is inevitably a drastic escalation of any incident and excessive force in at least a non legal sense, given the crime it's purportedly stopping. Putting property over the value of lives and livelihoods is a slippery slope, especially since there is limited opportunity to actually confirm the person being rammed did indeed commit the crime. At the end of the day, it's just material possessions; it's not worth risking killing or maiming someone over, even if they did commit a crime. The UK stopped executing criminals for a reason.

Hopefully this will highlight these and other issues with it and the Met will stop trying to aspire to the oppressive police state levels of US policing, at least as far as this tactic is concerned.
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I don’t like this policy of ramming moped drivers, I think it will lead to a lot of injuries and lawsuits against the police.
The moped gangs have been extremely violent and they terrified people when they were running amok in recent months. The police have been short on options and the alternative appears to be to allow them to continue to engage in massive public violence with impunity.
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