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people are so arrogant these days and the BIGGEST opinion on things they have no knowledge about whatsoever 😂😂
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in islam it is not okay for a woman or man to come together and touch each other or kiss each other, or even be alone with each other at all
i cant seem to understand how some muslims in this thread are defending the idea of women and men coming together without marriage and even becoming close friends, this is indeed a disgusting thing which has become widespread among the Muslim youth


And Allah said "do not come close to zina"



The prophet Muhammad said:
Every son of adam has his share of zina. The zina of the two eyes is looking (at that which is forbidden), the zina of the two hands is grabbing (at that which is forbidden), the zina of the two feet is walking (towards that which is forbbidden) and the zina of the mouth is kissing. The heart longs for and hopes while the private parts rejects this or confirms it.
(imam ahmad , sahih on conditions of Muslim)
we know zina isnt just of the private parts, severity is different



Allah said:

And when he came to the well of Madyan, he found there a crowd of people watering [their flocks], and he found aside from them two women driving back [their flocks]. He said, "What is your circumstance?" They said, "We do not water until the shepherds dispatch [their flocks]; and our father is an old man."

So he watered [their flocks] for them; then he went back to the shade and said, "My Lord, indeed I am, for whatever good You would send down to me, in need."

Then one of the two women came to him walking with shyness. She said, "Indeed, my father invites you that he may reward you for having watered for us." So when he came to him and related to him the story, he said, "Fear not. You have escaped from the wrongdoing people."


imam as sa'di said:

This [description] points to her proper upbringing and her good character, for indeed haya is from the most honorable of manners, and is a special trait in women

from UMar ibn al khatta (ra)

regarding the words of Allah which :
Then there came to him one of them, walking shyly
She came walking shyly, putting her garment over her face. She was not one of those audacious women who come and go as they please




It was narrated that Ma’qil ibn Yassaar said: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “For one of you to be stabbed in the head with an iron needle is better for him than that he should touch a woman who is not permissible for him.”

Narrated by al-Tabaraani in al-Kabeer, 486. Shaykh al-Albaani said in Saheeh al-Jaami’, 5045, that this hadeeth is saheeh.





The prophet SAW said:

"Whoever believes in Allah and the last day, then let him not under any circumstances be alone with a woman who do not have with her someone who is her mahram. Because verily the shaytan is the third among them"
Narrated by Ahmad and authenticated by al hakim and adh dhahabbi agreed wiht him





Ibn Nujaym said:

It is not permissible for a man to touch a woman’s face or hands even if there is no risk of desire because it is haraam in principle and there is no necessity that would allow it.

Al-Bahr al-Raa’iq, 8/219


Muhammad ibn Ahmad (‘Ulaysh) said:

It is not permissible for a man to touch the face or hand of a non-mahram woman, and it is not permissible for him to put his hand on hers without a barrier. ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: “The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) never accepted a woman’s oath of allegiance by shaking hands with her; rather he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to accept their oath of allegiance by words only.” According to another report, “His hand never touched the hand of a woman, rather he would accept their oath of allegiance by words only.”


Al-Nawawi said:

It is not permissible to touch a woman in any way.

Al-Majmoo’, 4/515.
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It's a 200 page book mate if you really cared you'd read it. There is so much proof to Islam you literally have to research. Watch the video and read the book if you really care.

Edit: Also, do you think that because you have an extensive vocabulary and use basic philosophies that people will agree with and respect you because they don't know what you're talking about?
You're doing it again. Instead of defining (edit: meant to say 'defending') the position that Islam is not a 'man-made' religion yourself, you're deferring to an authority (the book) and denouncing those who don't read this particular book as not 'educated' in your specific criteria. This is a non-argument as you don't actually make a case as to why Islam is not man-made, hence the appeal to authority fallacy. If this book was contained the proofs you claim it does and you have read this book, you should be able to at least give me a single reason why Islam is not a man-made religion - but you seem to be unable to do so for whatever reason. You're making the claim that Islam is not man-made, so the burden of proof is on you to defend this claim in the face of scrutiny (which were my observations you conveniently ignored by saying said 'read the book').
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As for your edit, it's meaningless. You are, again, making a remark towards the person (in the veil of a question) and not the arguments that they propose. This appears to be a habit of yours. I asked you to support your claim that Islam is not a man-made religion, and your response is 'read x book' - never-mind the fact that you haven't refuted a single argument or observation I have made in my post.

Perhaps look at it from this angle. Applying your logic, person x claims 'those who refuse to accept the beauty of Hinduism even after researching it are simply not thinking'. In response to this, person y might say 'well I follow Islam and i'm sure plenty of very intelligent Muslim scholars have researched Hinduism and found it to be unconvincing, does that mean those Muslim scholars are not 'thinking' because they didn't follow the 'beauty' of Hinduism after researching it? could you tell me why your Hinduism is not man-made?'. Then in response, person x ignore the questions of person y question and declares 'well until you've read x book, which contains so much proof to Hinduism then you're uneducated and I don't accept what you say'. Do you see the problem here?
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dont even waste your time arguing with these people theres no point its their loss anyway
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i still dont get if ur arguing or ur making points or giving advice lol seriously. Yeah that is why many people come to Britain and settle. Every muslim has to agree things like sex outside marriage or relationship before marriage is strictly forbidden, there might some diff views or so but most people agree on most things. Yes thats a good thing, i would definitely encourage respect for others and etc. And yes, thats my opinion, but i completely respect yours too- btw just to make it clear, i wasnt hating on u or anything, but just making some of ur misunderstandings about islam clear. And there are millions of imams, realistically we should expect all of them to have the same viewpoint
No , i suppose i am debating some thoughts with you. I do understand some aspects of Islam but i just sense the suffering of some of the uni muslims who are caught in a bit of a clash of different cultures and religions in Britain but when i read posts from people like Gold Dinar (post 124) i can see why some people have a problem with certain types of muslims. Why does gold dinar still live in the west -assuming he does? Can he not show more respect while continuing to belief in Islam no dating, sex etc. Maybe i am just lucky that I meet muslims who are happy to have respectful debates with me especially when I clearly don't believe in an almighty god or hell. They don't call me a kaffir but they explain what it means in terms of arabic true meaning- not how it is used by some people in tsr threads. Islam should be debated but it has no need to be defended! Why would a omniscient 'god' need defending!
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Bro, I'll be harshly honest. I was in your situation last year; Sunni Muslim which also liked another Muslim girl.
If you like her, tell her, and speak about marriage. Wallah if you care about Islam, you'd do what is right. Wanting to be 'very close friends' is asking for problems. One day or another you're gonna start getting bad thoughts and end up doing something wrong. Me, I liked the girl, and I told her as soon as I could, we spoke about marriage, she spoke to her father, our parents spoke and now we're engaged. Inshallah will get married when A-Levels are finished. If you don't want a future with the girl, just stop speaking to her. Either you're going to lead her onto nothing, or she'll start liking someone else and it will break your heart. Not worth it. Remember, nice guys never win. In today's world, you can't just be 'close friends' to the opposite gender (considering you're Muslim).
Verdict: Considering marriage=tell her. Want to just be friends=leave her

Inshallah Allah guides you the right path
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From reading your replies to other people, I think you're not mature enough for any relationship, halal or haram. Someone that thinks kissing is gross is either gay or in primary school. Considering you're a college student, the girl will feel very very let down when she finds out her potential husband finds romance gross. Grow a pair man.
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No , i suppose i am debating some thoughts with you. I do understand some aspects of Islam but i just sense the suffering of some of the uni muslims who are caught in a bit of a clash of different cultures and religions in Britain but when i read posts from people like Gold Dinar (post 124) i can see why some people have a problem with certain types of muslims. Why does gold dinar still live in the west -assuming he does? Can he not show more respect while continuing to belief in Islam no dating, sex etc. Maybe i am just lucky that I meet muslims who are happy to have respectful debates with me especially when I clearly don't believe in an almighty god or hell. They don't call me a kaffir but they explain what it means in terms of arabic true meaning- not how it is used by some people in tsr threads. Islam should be debated but it has no need to be defended! Why would a omniscient 'god' need defending!
That's the problem these days, now watch other 'muslims' try to call me haram now😂😂😂... Islam is simple: follow the 5 pillars of islam and show respect to others... these days people follow mufti's (half of them just get the money and say BS to manipulate an audience) others follow hadeeths(very good, but they were written AFTER the Qur'an.. and they are stories written by other people).... muftis and hadeeths are very good.. but people put them as a higher importance to the Qur'an... you get these muftis who be like "you cant talk to a girl.. not even look at her"... thats not how islam is.. Islam allows men to friend women as there is nothing wrong with that... then these "muslims" will just laugh at you calling you crazy but they cant answer the damn question to how this is haram... because it isnt.. to have a GF BF... you are in control.. if you just want to remain as friends... fine.. but sexual, then no... it's not haram to be friends with the opposite gender.. it's just our society... like chinese whispers...starts off as you can be friends but no sex... then ends up as you cant be friends...
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You need to stop. It is not a metaphor. By default, a verse is to be taken literally, unless it is clearly metaphorical or there are textual evidences to support it being a metaphor. Please tell me where you got this understanding from, because this is an absurd position, and one that is not mainstream. Sources please, but I am already thinking that you have got this from a random, dodgy website.

If you cannot let your gaze freely wonder at a woman, in what world would it be ok to be friends with them?

Yea, of course you can interact with them. But this doesn’t mean you hang out with them needlessly, socialise with them or crack jokes with them. This is where the boundaries of interaction have been crossed


(Original post by Zain_Ahmed)
Bro what you on about? Islam likes shyness? All you extremists missinterpret lowering your gaze.. It's just a metaphorical term which means show respect.. That's the problem with our society, they take every single word too seriously.. You tell me, why is it wrong to talk to the opposite Gender? They're humans right? so we can talk freely.. just mentain respect whilst doing it.
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You need to stop. It is not a metaphor. By default, a verse is to be taken literally, unless it is clearly metaphorical or there are textual evidences to support it being a metaphor. Please tell me where you got this understanding from, because this is an absurd position, and one that is not mainstream. Sources please, but I am already thinking that you have got this from a random, dodgy website.

If you cannot let your gaze freely wonder at a woman, in what world would it be ok to be friends with them?

Yea, of course you can interact with them. But this doesn’t mean you hang out with them needlessly, socialise with them or crack jokes with them. This is where the boundaries of interaction have been crossed
What are your sources??.. I never get mine from online because they are just people opinions or interpretations of the Qur'an. All of you say that it is "needless" socialising with girls but never explain how or why... I said lower your gaze is a metaphore.. because it just means show respect... look at a girl with respect...What do you mean interact? The simple "hello" "hi"??
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In islam we have a thing called "bigger jihad"- this literally means to struggle and to strive. For Muslims, as u can see, it hard to follow every teaching and ignore desires, and the bigger jihad includes from the smallest aspects such as waking up in the morning to pray. This world is not meant to be perfect, we will face problems, but at the end of the day, there will always be a resolution-we must trust allah and his plans. According to the quran, there will come a day where being a muslim is going to be so hard, as from my opinion the day is soon coming, just from tsr, the amount of Islamophobia i see, it honestly disgusts me how much people can be intolerant. And about the gold dinar person which i have no idea about, thats his or her own problem because as a muslim hes or shes meant to be respectful towards others and create peace. Moreover people dont have the right to call u kaffir or insult in any way, i completely diagree with that, just because u have a diff viewpoint. We will all face the day judgement and only allah has the right to judge u, we are just humans and it is our duty to keep calm and be nice to each other. And yes an omniscient-omnipotent god does not need any defending at all
(Original post by mgi)
No , i suppose i am debating some thoughts with you. I do understand some aspects of Islam but i just sense the suffering of some of the uni muslims who are caught in a bit of a clash of different cultures and religions in Britain but when i read posts from people like Gold Dinar (post 124) i can see why some people have a problem with certain types of muslims. Why does gold dinar still live in the west -assuming he does? Can he not show more respect while continuing to belief in Islam no dating, sex etc. Maybe i am just lucky that I meet muslims who are happy to have respectful debates with me especially when I clearly don't believe in an almighty god or hell. They don't call me a kaffir but they explain what it means in terms of arabic true meaning- not how it is used by some people in tsr threads. Islam should be debated but it has no need to be defended! Why would a omniscient 'god' need defending!
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Im probably being very uneducated but why is it haram in islam to have a crush?
Having a crush is not haram since you can’t control your feelings towards someone. Just do not think about them in a “certain way”
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Hi everyone I got a little problem. I am a Sunni Muslim and I heavily respect Islam but there is a girl in my college who is also a Muslim and I really like her because she is a very nice person and her personality. I kinda have a crush on her but is this Haram to have a crush and I want to be her boyfriend though I plan to do this right after I end college.
But please help if this is Haram or anything or an advice to get close to her. In Islam it is essential to pass down knowledge so having a wife is essential.
My friend has a girlfriend who is also a Muslim and both of his parents and his gf's parents know they are together.
I don't want to be that lovey dovey or kissy guy
I just wanna be very close friends with her
So plz help!!!
Hey just read ur post but am curious if a guy really likes a girl why on earth would he want her to be his gf but not his wife? I hope you do realise guys nowadays well most of them are players and only use and throw the girl for their personal use. You shouldn't ask her to be ur gf but instead approach her and even her fam. Becoz if u guys started liking each other then her parents might not agree that would leave u guys being heart broken. A guy and a girl should always look at each others family. Family plays a huge part not only the person ur marrying. The girl may be nice but her fam might be corrupt. Get to know her and her fam inside and out before making any commitment. Also don't make her ur gf just coz one of friend "Muslim" has. Gf/Bf relationships only lead to zona u may not at first think about it but when u start knowing each other u become more close and hormone levels rise since u so blind n love, it will make it difficult for u guys to survive. Better for u and her to focus on ur career atm if u damn serious approach her fam. How do u know she likes you back?
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So what should I only just started to have interest in her. I am too afraid to go to her parents. I don't even know where she lives as well
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Afraid... Bro man up. Is it that difficult? Btw how would a guy feel if a girl went to his parents and proposed?
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You're doing it again. Instead of defining (edit: meant to say 'defending') the position that Islam is not a 'man-made' religion yourself, you're deferring to an authority (the book) and denouncing those who don't read this particular book as not 'educated' in your specific criteria. This is a non-argument as you don't actually make a case as to why Islam is not man-made, hence the appeal to authority fallacy. If this book was contained the proofs you claim it does and you have read this book, you should be able to at least give me a single reason why Islam is not a man-made religion - but you seem to be unable to do so for whatever reason. You're making the claim that Islam is not man-made, so the burden of proof is on you to defend this claim in the face of scrutiny (which were my observations you conveniently ignored by saying said 'read the book').
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As for your edit, it's meaningless. You are, again, making a remark towards the person (in the veil of a question) and not the arguments that they propose. This appears to be a habit of yours. I asked you to support your claim that Islam is not a man-made religion, and your response is 'read x book' - never-mind the fact that you haven't refuted a single argument or observation I have made in my post.

Perhaps look at it from this angle. Applying your logic, person x claims 'those who refuse to accept the beauty of Hinduism even after researching it are simply not thinking'. In response to this, person y might say 'well I follow Islam and i'm sure plenty of very intelligent Muslim scholars have researched Hinduism and found it to be unconvincing, does that mean those Muslim scholars are not 'thinking' because they didn't follow the 'beauty' of Hinduism after researching it? could you tell me why your Hinduism is not man-made?'. Then in response, person x ignore the questions of person y question and declares 'well until you've read x book, which contains so much proof to Hinduism then you're uneducated and I don't accept what you say'. Do you see the problem here?
I told you, watch the video. I am literally giving you the information which provides evidence but, with your egotistical elitist attitude, you are refusing it. It is you who is "doing it again". Edit: Hinduism, from the words of my Hindu friend, is an ambiguous religion interpreted by carvings on a wall. There is absolutely zero proof that Hinduism is true, and your argument is invalid as the religion has no scriptures - only interpretations. Another example would be Christianity: it has many contradictions - not because it is invalid, but because the Bible has been changed over many years. The word Qu'ran means recitation, the original recitation has been passed down from person to person, and they memorised it - therefore it cannot have been changed. If we look at one of the oldest Qu'rans, which resides in the British museums, we can see that it is the exact same as any Qu'ran you would find today.
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With my knowledge I just know that Asking her out to a date is Haram . I really just wanna be very close friends.
If you have any Muslim friends plz tell them about this problem
Another uneducated person here sorry....but why is dating Haram? How does Islam teach for you to find a partner? (Interest, not judgement!)
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Hey,
dating is haram because interacting eoth the opposite gender is forbidden before marriage and us muslims can only interact if there is a need or valid reason. Islam teaches us that ito find a partner the only way we could do Is through parents for example if someone wanted to get married and he/she fofund a person that suits them they are only allowed to talk to them if there is a person there with them.
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Another uneducated person here sorry....but why is dating Haram? How does Islam teach for you to find a partner? (Interest, not judgement!)
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Hey,
dating is haram because interacting eoth the opposite gender is forbidden before marriage and us muslims can only interact if there is a need or valid reason. Islam teaches us that ito find a partner the only way we could do Is through parents for example if someone wanted to get married and he/she fofund a person that suits them they are only allowed to talk to them if there is a person there with them.
Ah, I see :yep: thanks!
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Oh the brainwashing in this thread...
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I told you, watch the video. I am literally giving you the information which provides evidence but, with your egotistical elitist attitude, you are refusing it. It is you who is "doing it again". Also, not to offend any hindus or anything but they literally worship a penis, look it up.
This is your summary of Hinduism? Offensive.
I could say that your refusal to eat pork is stupid as well? That's why respect for other people's religions is essential even if you don't agree with it. You don't agree with Islamophobia do you? So what is the term for mocking Hindu beliefs?
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