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Hey, I dont really understand the points system even though everyone is saying its relatively simply (my bad lol). Can anyone help with scoring my points?

ucat - 700, band 2
Degree - 2.1 (68%)
Part time work in care home - 1 year
A levels- A*AA
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Hi

I have been trying to get through on the phone to the faculty of medicine admissions department to discuss their undergraduate eligibility criteria but I have been unable to get through on the phone with anyone and my email has gone unanswered for about a week!

I got 2820 in my UCAT, band 3 SJT
AAA in Biology, Chemistry and History (these were done before A*s were given to A-levels)
7A*s and 4As at GCSE
Med-high undergrad 2:1 BSc Neuroscience (completed in 2013) at UCL
High Merit Master's of Public Health (completed in 2018) at Imperial College

I have worked as a research technician in academic research laboratories, in doing some clinical work for a medical device start-up (although no responsibility for patients) and now as a management consultant in the public sector. I have published peer reviewed research in BJGP Open.

My undergraduate degree was completed more than 5 years ago, and I have completed a Master's since then. I do not know if Birmingham will accept my MPH as satisfying their eligibility criteria for an appropriate Life Sciences discipline, or if my other work experience etc. might then make me eligible.It is frustrating as I need to submit my application this week as I am going away on Friday away from the internet and I would like clarification on this point.

Does anyone know how to contact the Birmingham medical admissions team more directly? Are there are any current students who might be able to give me any guidance? I do not want to make an application for me to be found ineligible. Does anyone have any thoughts?
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Hey, I dont really understand the points system even though everyone is saying its relatively simply (my bad lol). Can anyone help with scoring my points?

ucat - 700, band 2
Degree - 2.1 (68%)
Part time work in care home - 1 year
A levels- A*AA
I think it would be:
UCAT - 3.1/4 points (if 8th decile)
degree - 4/8
work experience - 0/4 unless you have any other full time work? (Doesn’t have to be Medical related)
A levels - 4/4

so you would get 11.1/20
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Hey, I dont really understand the points system even though everyone is saying its relatively simply (my bad lol). Can anyone help with scoring my points?

ucat - 700, band 2
Degree - 2.1 (68%)
Part time work in care home - 1 year
A levels- A*AA
https://www.birmingham.ac.uk/schools...interview.aspx

- UCAT: depends on decile: Assuming top decile is around 3200 (800 average) I would like to estimate a score between 3.4-3.6 (band 2 = 2/3 score of the virtual station at interview). As this is the first time Birmingham has used this criteria, I expect the points for UCAT will fluctuate and could be higher or lower than I predict. Well done on your score in any case, I'm sure you'll get an interview somewhere with that

- Degree: 4 points for 2:1 (unsure if they change the score based on the percentage of 2:1, but probably not). 1:1 = 8 points. If you have been in care for at least 3 months, your score would be adjusted (achieved 2:1 would be equal to a 1:1 = 8 points).

- Part-time work: Score of 0 (Only full-time is considered and it is unlikely there will be any exceptions). 1-2 years full-time (any occupation, but also includes teaching and marking as a PhD student) = 2 points; 3+ years full-time = maximum (4 points). Only experiences more than 6 months count but I am not sure if you can add them together (e.g I did research for 1 whole year and I have been a HCA for almost 9 months; not sure if you can add these together).

- A-levels: 4 points (AAA+ = maximum points (4)); BBB+ = 2; BBC = 1. For contextual students, ABB+ = 4; BBC = 2; CCC = 1.

Grand total: 11.4-11.6 (scored out of 20). I do not know if this is a good score though!

I hope this helps!
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(Original post by davidthomasjnr)
https://www.birmingham.ac.uk/schools...interview.aspx

- UCAT: depends on decile: Assuming top decile is around 3200 (800 average) I would like to estimate a score between 3.4-3.6 (band 2 = 2/3 score of the virtual station at interview). As this is the first time Birmingham has used this criteria, I expect the points for UCAT will fluctuate and could be higher or lower than I predict. Well done on your score in any case, I'm sure you'll get an interview somewhere with that

- Degree: 4 points for 2:1 (unsure if they change the score based on the percentage of 2:1, but probably not). 1:1 = 8 points. If you have been in care for at least 3 months, your score would be adjusted (achieved 2:1 would be equal to a 1:1 = 8 points).

- Part-time work: Score of 0 (Only full-time is considered and it is unlikely there will be any exceptions). 1-2 years full-time (any occupation, but also includes teaching and marking as a PhD student) = 2 points; 3+ years full-time = maximum (4 points). Only experiences more than 6 months count but I am not sure if you can add them together (e.g I did research for 1 whole year and I have been a HCA for almost 9 months; not sure if you can add these together).

- A-levels: 4 points (AAA+ = maximum points (4)); BBB+ = 2; BBC = 1. For contextual students, ABB+ = 4; BBC = 2; CCC = 1.

Grand total: 11.4-11.6 (scored out of 20). I do not know if this is a good score though!

I hope this helps!
Just to query "Years in full-time employment (including postgraduate teaching/research/training and voluntary/caring roles)"

This includes being a PhD student since this would come under postgraduate training, right? So for myself, I spent 3 years doing a PhD plus 1 year research scientist. so this would amount to 4 years or by postgraduate training does it refer to training others (which is typically the same as teaching?)
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Just to query "Years in full-time employment (including postgraduate teaching/research/training and voluntary/caring roles)"

This includes being a PhD student since this would come under postgraduate training, right? So for myself, I spent 3 years doing a PhD plus 1 year research scientist. so this would amount to 4 years or by postgraduate training does it refer to training others (which is typically the same as teaching?)
I would think so, yes I believe this applies to those who have a masters as well.
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I think it would be:
UCAT - 3.1/4 points (if 8th decile)
degree - 4/8
work experience - 0/4 unless you have any other full time work? (Doesn’t have to be Medical related)
A levels - 4/4

so you would get 11.1/20
(Original post by davidthomasjnr)
https://www.birmingham.ac.uk/schools...interview.aspx

- UCAT: depends on decile: Assuming top decile is around 3200 (800 average) I would like to estimate a score between 3.4-3.6 (band 2 = 2/3 score of the virtual station at interview). As this is the first time Birmingham has used this criteria, I expect the points for UCAT will fluctuate and could be higher or lower than I predict. Well done on your score in any case, I'm sure you'll get an interview somewhere with that

- Degree: 4 points for 2:1 (unsure if they change the score based on the percentage of 2:1, but probably not). 1:1 = 8 points. If you have been in care for at least 3 months, your score would be adjusted (achieved 2:1 would be equal to a 1:1 = 8 points).

- Part-time work: Score of 0 (Only full-time is considered and it is unlikely there will be any exceptions). 1-2 years full-time (any occupation, but also includes teaching and marking as a PhD student) = 2 points; 3+ years full-time = maximum (4 points). Only experiences more than 6 months count but I am not sure if you can add them together (e.g I did research for 1 whole year and I have been a HCA for almost 9 months; not sure if you can add these together).

- A-levels: 4 points (AAA+ = maximum points (4)); BBB+ = 2; BBC = 1. For contextual students, ABB+ = 4; BBC = 2; CCC = 1.

Grand total: 11.4-11.6 (scored out of 20). I do not know if this is a good score though!

I hope this helps!
Thanks a lot guys! I don't think it would be wise of me to apply to Birmingham, I feel I'll have better chances elsewhere. Good luck to you all applying for birmingham!!
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Thanks a lot guys! I don't think it would be wise of me to apply to Birmingham, I feel I'll have better chances elsewhere. Good luck to you all applying for birmingham!!
No problem, I also have come to the realisation Birmingham wouldn’t be the wisest choice for me either! (I estimated myself at around 8.7/20)
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Does anyone know what the average score of applicants invited to interview are, and what the average score of offer holders are?
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Does anyone know what the average score of applicants invited to interview are, and what the average score of offer holders are?
For the new scoring system, nobody knows.
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Thanks both.



My one B in GCSE is still haunting me thanks for pointing this out, I'll drop them an email but it doesn't sound like its worth risking
Did you get a reply from them by any chance? I tired and they haven’t. I’m in the same boat as you!
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Hi guys!

As I've heard Birmingham don't score your personal statement at all for A101 (is this true?), am I correct in thinking I have a good chance of obtaining an interview? I have:

1st Class Natural Sciences BA (Specialised in Neuroscience)
A*A*A*A* at A-Level
725 UCAT with SJT Band 1

If they don't care about the personal statement at all, then would this would be a good option for me for a sure-fire interview?

Thank you!
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Hi guys!

As I've heard Birmingham don't score your personal statement at all for A101 (is this true?), am I correct in thinking I have a good chance of obtaining an interview? I have:

1st Class Natural Sciences BA (Specialised in Neuroscience)
A*A*A*A* at A-Level
725 UCAT with SJT Band 1

If they don't care about the personal statement at all, then would this would be a good option for me for a sure-fire interview?

Thank you!
I don't think they said they "don't care about it" as much as that it is "not scored". You have a good chance based on your stats, as you would likely get almost maximum points for your academics. However, you also "must offer evidence of commitment to medicine" in your personal statement, which most likely means you need formal work experience to prove, rather than say you want to be a doctor.

That being said, still apply, you have an excellent chance at interview. I'm just clarifying that universities that don't score personal statements may well still influence your chance of getting an interview and/ or offer.
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Did you get a reply from them by any chance? I tired and they haven’t. I’m in the same boat as you!
They said if a GCSE grade was the only concerning aspect of the application they'd still consider it

Not sure if it would then put us at a disadvantage or what but doesn't sound like it would get chucked immediately into the no pile
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They said if a GCSE grade was the only concerning aspect of the application they'd still consider it

Not sure if it would then put us at a disadvantage or what but doesn't sound like it would get chucked immediately into the no pile
The same thing was said to me on the phone. They mainly look at your A-levels relative to the context they were achieved, plus your degree, work experience, and UCAT. GCSEs are a minor aspect of the application process apparently.
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Is it worth it applying to Brum at all with a predicted 1st in Medical Sciences?

I've got all A's and UCAT 2650 + 1 year full-time work

It just seems so stupid that an achieved first is 8 points and predicted is 2; imo ridiculous that the difference is so big!

Anyway, any advice would be much appreciated!

Thank you
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Hi guys, I received an email today from admissions about the weighting of the UCAT. “An application will receive an overall score, which is the sum n application will receive an overall score, which is the sum of weighted scores for each one of the academic and UKCAT components. The weighting will be academic - 60% & UCAT - 40%.”
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Hi everyone,

Is it worth it applying to Brum at all with a predicted 1st in Medical Sciences?

I've got all A's and UCAT 2650 + 1 year full-time work

It just seems so stupid that an achieved first is 8 points and predicted is 2; imo ridiculous that the difference is so big!

Anyway, any advice would be much appreciated!

Thank you
Apart from those who applied directly from the Birmingham Biomedical Science BSc, everyone currently on GEC1 had already achieved their undergrad (and many applied with a master’s).
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Apart from those who applied directly from the Birmingham Biomedical Science BSc, everyone currently on GEC1 had already achieved their undergrad (and many applied with a master’s).
Do you know what the stats are for people applying from Birmingham biosciences? I've heard a few different things?
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Do you know what the stats are for people applying from Birmingham biosciences? I've heard a few different things?
I’m afraid I don’t, I know they had an internal application system as well as UCAS that people were then picked from for interview.

They had to show volunteering/work at a minimum etc I think had to obtain a (high?) 2:1- can’t say for sure though as I didn’t apply through this route. There are around 5 total on the course who got in this way.

Hope that’s moderately helpful!
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