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Bare with me on this because it may seem simple on the face of it, and it probably is, but I guess it's some reassurance I'm looking for.

I am studying an Access Course as a mature student (late 20s) and have been offered places to Bolton, Salford, Man Met and Manchester to study Law, narrowing it down to UoM and Bolton.

The reason behind my dilemma is that I'm worried that there may be a lack of personal support at UoM given the size of the University. I'm also concerned that my age separates me from my peers and may lead to a lack of peer support throughout my studies.

I have friends who attend Bolton (not law) who say it's a great university and will offer tailored support with smaller groups and lectures, as well as a high level of mature students. I'm just not certain if I'd necessarily be pushed and challenged as much there.

Am I being daft by considering Bolton over Manchester?

For a bit more context I would like to go on to become a solicitor, but that may be a pipe dream given my age.
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Bare with me on this because it may seem simple on the face of it, and it probably is, but I guess it's some reassurance I'm looking for.

I am studying an Access Course as a mature student (late 20s) and have been offered places to Bolton, Salford, Man Met and Manchester to study Law, narrowing it down to UoM and Bolton.

The reason behind my dilemma is that I'm worried that there may be a lack of personal support at UoM given the size of the University. I'm also concerned that my age separates me from my peers and may lead to a lack of peer support throughout my studies.

I have friends who attend Bolton (not law) who say it's a great university and will offer tailored support with smaller groups and lectures, as well as a high level of mature students. I'm just not certain if I'd necessarily be pushed and challenged as much there.

Am I being daft by considering Bolton over Manchester?

For a bit more context I would like to go on to become a solicitor, but that may be a pipe dream given my age.
Hello, I understand it can be difficult to pick a university as they all offer different experiences, however when I was comparing two universities for my firm and insurance choices I used websites such as:
https://university.which.co.uk/
https://unistats.ac.uk/
https://www.whatuni.com/

I found the best of these sites for me was WhatUni - I'll put the links below for the two universities you are interested in, if you type your subject name in you can find reviews specific to what you are looking into studying:
https://www.whatuni.com/university-c...nchester/3754/
https://www.whatuni.com/university-c...f-bolton/3453/

They are reviews from current/past students who discuss things like the course/city/university/facilities/job prospects and support - hope this is useful, good luck making your decision.
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The reason behind my dilemma is that I'm worried that there may be a lack of personal support at UoM given the size of the University.

I'm also concerned that my age separates me from my peers and may lead to a lack of peer support throughout my studies.

I have friends who attend Bolton (not law) who say it's a great university and will offer tailored support with smaller groups and lectures, as well as a high level of mature students. I'm just not certain if I'd necessarily be pushed and challenged as much there.
It will help us if you explain what you really mean by "personal support"? And "peer support"?

Really, at both places you will be leading your own transition into the legal sector. Leading your own studies. You will be able to discuss with your peers and career support, but it will be down to you. I therefore don't really think it matters.

As for being ostracised, there will be people of high and low ages at both places. In higher gross numbers at Manchester, maybe, given the larger cohort.
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What kind of 'support' are you after?

In terms of 'personal support', everyone at the UoM's School of Law is assigned an Academic Advisor and Peer Mentor. TLSEO (Teaching, Learning and Student Experience Office) will be dealing with any other personal issues. That's all 'personal support' I'm aware of that's exclusive to the law school, but you can email the Studen Support for any uni-wide support.

I'm sure your concerns are valid; it's just hard to address them because they r so vague. I suggest sending an email to UoM's law school & TLSEO to see if there r any tailored support for mature students on offer. Their email: [email protected]

It's best to see if you can find any stats on the % of mature students at either unis rather than basing it off ur friends' experience. Also, I do think you might be overvaluing these 'supports' in general. Everything sounds good on paper, but their practicality and effectiveness can be heavily exaggerated.
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Hello, I understand it can be difficult to pick a university as they all offer different experiences, however when I was comparing two universities for my firm and insurance choices I used websites such as:
https://university.which.co.uk/
https://unistats.ac.uk/
https://www.whatuni.com/

I found the best of these sites for me was WhatUni - I'll put the links below for the two universities you are interested in, if you type your subject name in you can find reviews specific to what you are looking into studying:
https://www.whatuni.com/university-c...nchester/3754/
https://www.whatuni.com/university-c...f-bolton/3453/

They are reviews from current/past students who discuss things like the course/city/university/facilities/job prospects and support - hope this is useful, good luck making your decision.
Thanks, that's really helpful. I have used whatuni to compare them previously, but there isn't a lot of information on Bolton's Law degree unfortunately.

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It will help us if you explain what you really mean by "personal support"? And "peer support"?

Really, at both places you will be leading your own transition into the legal sector. Leading your own studies. You will be able to discuss with your peers and career support, but it will be down to you. I therefore don't really think it matters.

As for being ostracised, there will be people of high and low ages at both places. In higher gross numbers at Manchester, maybe, given the larger cohort.
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What kind of 'support' are you after?

In terms of 'personal support', everyone at the UoM's School of Law is assigned an Academic Advisor and Peer Mentor. TLSEO (Teaching, Learning and Student Experience Office) will be dealing with any other personal issues. That's all 'personal support' I'm aware of that's exclusive to the law school, but you can email the Studen Support for any uni-wide support.

I'm sure your concerns are valid; it's just hard to address them because they r so vague. I suggest sending an email to UoM's law school & TLSEO to see if there r any tailored support for mature students on offer. Their email: [email protected]

It's best to see if you can find any stats on the % of mature students at either unis rather than basing it off ur friends' experience. Also, I do think you might be overvaluing these 'supports' in general. Everything sounds good on paper, but their practicality and effectiveness can be heavily exaggerated.
Personal support is the incorrect phrasing for what I meant. I'm referring to how accessible the academic staff are outside of lectures/seminars. If I was struggling with certain aspects of a module or wanted clarification on an assignment or to discuss an aspect of a lecture further etc. how approachable and helpful will the staff be? I am aware Bolton are generally good in this regard because they have fewer students and because it is a teaching intensive university.

In terms of mature students I believe it's 10% at UoM and 35% at Bolton.

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It’s not a pipe dream because of your age. I’ve recruited solicitors who didn’t start their training until they were in their 30s (quite a few), 40s (enough to mention it) and even at least two in their 50s.
That's excellent to hear, thank you. On that point, and out of curiosity, would you personally select a Manchester graduate over a Bolton graduate for a TC if they had the same results and similar experience?
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Personal support is the incorrect phrasing for what I meant. I'm referring to how accessible the academic staff are outside of lectures/seminars. If I was struggling with certain aspects of a module or wanted clarification on an assignment or to discuss an aspect of a lecture further etc. how approachable and helpful will the staff be? I am aware Bolton are generally good in this regard because they have fewer students and because it is a teaching intensive university.
You say that Bolton is good for it because people, who don't do law, say their course is good. This doesn't mean it translates to the law course.

If you look at the size of staff, they can be rather small at these new unis. Inexperienced in terms of teaching, might have a part-time job in a legal practice, and conducting their own research. Smaller cohort does not necessarily more "real" access to staff.

In terms of mature students I believe it's 10% at UoM and 35% at Bolton.
And in gross terms, wouldn't that likely mean Manchester has more?
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(Original post by Jacal)
Personal support is the incorrect phrasing for what I meant. I'm referring to how accessible the academic staff are outside of lectures/seminars. If I was struggling with certain aspects of a module or wanted clarification on an assignment or to discuss an aspect of a lecture further etc. how approachable and helpful will the staff be? I am aware Bolton are generally good in this regard because they have fewer students and because it is a teaching intensive university.

In terms of mature students I believe it's 10% at UoM and 35% at Bolton.
Each lecturer's got their own office hours and everyone usually gets the chance to meet with the lecturer before the end of each session.

Don't want to risk sounding like a Manc ambassador but I can genuinely say that Manc's academic accessibility and approachability should be the least of ur worries. I encountered a little difficulty this year and all of my lecturers were more than happy to arrange private meetings with me. Some of the senior lecturers might appear austere and intimidating at first, but...yeah nah you'll be fine haha.

If academic support is an area of concern for you then I would strongly recommend selecting the seminars early so u can choose ur lecturers as seminar leaders. Having them witness your academic progression and building a closer relationship just makes it easier when discussing any module concerns and getting 'em references They are also slightly more 'passionate' about the course and would prolong the seminars (sometimes by an hour) if they have nothing lined up. (Unlucky if you have a meeting straight after tho).
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I would rather chew my own nipple off than study law at Bolton.

A few years ago I (might) not have written this. True, the facilities were shocking, the place a sh*t hole and you would be sharing a lecture room with the barely evolved. However, the experienced teaching staff were second to none. It made all the rest bearable. In fact, you forgot about the general doudiness of the place.

Sadly, all the good staff have voted with their feet.

So if you really want to spend £27,000 on a completely worthless law degree, then Bolton is the place for YOU!

And the very best of luck stacking shelves in Aldi for the rest of your natural.
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I would rather chew my own nipple off than study law at Bolton.
Lad or lass?
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Lad or lass?
Whatever helps you achieve your annual erection I suppose. No no, 'annual',….. don't get carried away.

As an alternative, there is always Viagra.
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You've obviously had quite a bad experience there, something I must say a few people have echoed in conversations I've had. Can I ask what you're doing now?
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You've obviously had quite a bad experience there, something I must say a few people have echoed in conversations I've had. Can I ask what you're doing now?
You may certainly ask. It is a fair question and can be summed up in three succinct comments:

1. Recovering from being ripped off by a mendacious and unscrupulous university that awarded me a worthless degree.

2. Looking for work with said useless degree.
It is always a bad sign when they do not even bother to reply.

3. Reflecting on three years of my life wasted.

Any further questions I am happy to answer.
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To an extent, you have to factor in the place at which you would enjoy the course and experience more, and the university that suits you better. That said, there’s no getting away from the fact that the University of Manchester is much better for Law than the University of Bolton as an objective standard when the courses are compared, and Law is one of those subjects where a lot of universities offer the degree, but employers do still tend to care where the degree was obtained from.

I realise in saying the above, I am probably horrendously breaking Law forum protocol where we have to emphasise personal development and what you make of it over everything else, and certain posters would rip me to bits for daring to suggest one university objectively looks better on a CV than another, but that’s how it is, if you ask me. If you’ve been offered Manchester, then I’d take it.
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Whatever helps you achieve your annual erection I suppose. No no, 'annual',….. don't get carried away.

As an alternative, there is always Viagra.
The poor grammar killed the erection, anyway.

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You may certainly ask. It is a fair question and can be summed up in three succinct comments:

1. Recovering from being ripped off by a mendacious and unscrupulous university that awarded me a worthless degree.

2. Looking for work with said useless degree.
It is always a bad sign when they do not even bother to reply.

3. Reflecting on three years of my life wasted.

Any further questions I am happy to answer.
How long ago did you graduate? What degree classification did you get? What kind of work are you currently in? Have you done the LPC? Have you sought to get any work experience in law? If not law, what type of graduate work have you applied for?

Most of the time grads cannot get work because of themselves rather than the uni's organisation or library.
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To an extent, you have to factor in the place at which you would enjoy the course and experience more, and the university that suits you better. That said, there’s no getting away from the fact that the University of Manchester is much better for Law than the University of Bolton as an objective standard when the courses are compared, and Law is one of those subjects where a lot of universities offer the degree, but employers do still tend to care where the degree was obtained from.

I realise in saying the above, I am probably horrendously breaking Law forum protocol where we have to emphasise personal development and what you make of it over everything else, and certain posters would rip me to bits for daring to suggest one university objectively looks better on a CV than another, but that’s how it is, if you ask me. If you’ve been offered Manchester, then I’d take it.
People aren't overly concerned with personal development on the Law forum, it's safe to say
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People aren't overly concerned with personal development on the Law forum, it's safe to say
Because being well-educated doesn't contribute to personal development, luv.
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People aren't overly concerned with personal development on the Law forum, it's safe to say
Yeah, J-SP brought up the importance of CPD in the workplace about 18 months ago, and I reacted with the :rofl: emoji and blocked her for two days

Edit: I was in the wrong, just to be clear
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Yeah, J-SP brought up the importance of CPD in the workplace about 18 months ago, and I reacted with the :rofl: emoji and blocked her for two days
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can't believe J-SP's ghost is still stalking me after death
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can't believe J-SP's ghost is still stalking me after death
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