What do you think of the Brexit Party?

Original post by z-hog

Were you a Leaver and you'd have no trouble understanding why they are running, I'm neither Leave or Remain and I don't need any help with it! I'm voting Brexit for the sake of Democracy (never mind, it's a long story...).

If they are running to simply send a message that the public want Brexit then they are wasting their time (and, in particular, public money). We already know the public want Brexit and we have been trying to come up with some plan for the last 3 years. They haven't proposed any Brexit plan either, outside of keeping no deal as an option.

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SHallowvale

Original post by ColinDent

Therein lies the problem, it is exactly what has been happening ever since the morning after the referendum.

This goes both ways, though. I recall remainers being branded as traitors on the front pages of national newspapers over simply wanting Parliament to have a meaningful vote on the final deal.

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ColinDent

Original post by SHallowvale

This goes both ways, though. I recall remainers being branded as traitors on the front pages of national newspapers over simply wanting Parliament to have a meaningful vote on the final deal.

Can't disagree, it's why I'm careful about not using the term remoaner, totally unhelpful.

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username1799249

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Original post by Trotsky's Iceaxe

The Brexit Party are the perfect party for those that want Brexit regardless of the consequences and those who like to believe they are being persecuted by the liberal elite/establishment/the BBC/foreigners/sandal-wearing Guardian readers/bankers/avocado-munching millienals/etc.

But really they demonstrate just how vacuous populism is.

Agreed. The more I hear, the more it occurs to me that Brexit is actually a proxy for people who feel the political process has missed. And they are right to feel aggrieved. However, what the don't seem to appreciate is that Brexit will affect them the most, whilst those they are effectively sticking two fingers up to, the rich and politically powerful will simply hunker down in their millionaire pads or worse, take their money elsewhere. This will not achieve political change for the better sadly.

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Original post by ColinDent

Can't disagree, it's why I'm careful about not using the term remoaner, totally unhelpful.

I save the term remaniac for those who act without sence or reason in the name of remain.

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Napp

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A bunch of no-bodies and has-beens who should slink back into the dark hole they slithered out of.

Right on cue @Napp

Original post by Dez

The Brexit party plan:

May 23: Win the EU parliament election
May 24: Go back in time
Mar 29: LEAVE THE EU WITHOUT A DEAL OMG RIGHT NOW!!!!oneone
Mar 30-May 23: ???
May 24-onward: ??????????????????????????

I don't think they have invented time travel!

Agree they are a one trick pony though, more reason for the remainers in Westminster to accept the vote and deliver brexit, then TBP will disappear overnight.

(edited 4 years ago)

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Dez

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Original post by Burton Bridge

I don't think they have invented time travel!

Agree they are a one trick pony though, more reason for the remainers in Westminster to accept the vote and deliver brexit, then TBP will disappear overnight.

They have, but it's got a stuck circuit and can only take us back to 1973.

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meowzer

i don’t understand brexit and i don’t care, it’s been going on for too long, everyone’s bored

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Stiff Little Fingers

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Trotsky's Iceaxe has nailed it. They're completely vacuous. There's no sign of any policies, not even on their single issue (leave isn't a policy since we are already leaving despite the best interests of the country and the rampant criminal activity of various leave campaign groups which, if the referendum was actually legal binding, rather than just being treated as such, would see it overturned and require a rerun). As far as we can see it's just a fan group for Nigel Farage with some more than shady goings on (registering as a private company to hide all funding - given Farages history that likely means funding being shovelled in by the American alt-right like Steve Bannon). They shouldn't be a credible party, but for the ridiculousness of Brexit as a whole, where we want to leave but don't want to leave in any way, making Britain basically the MGTOW of international politics, insisting they're going their own way, but never going away and instead still just standing their *****ing about their ex.

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Original post by Stiff Little Fingers

Trotsky's Iceaxe has nailed it. They're completely vacuous. There's no sign of any policies, not even on their single issue (leave isn't a policy since we are already leaving despite the best interests of the country and the rampant criminal activity of various leave campaign groups which, if the referendum was actually legal binding, rather than just being treated as such, would see it overturned and require a rerun). As far as we can see it's just a fan group for Nigel Farage with some more than shady goings on (registering as a private company to hide all funding - given Farages history that likely means funding being shovelled in by the American alt-right like Steve Bannon). They shouldn't be a credible party, but for the ridiculousness of Brexit as a whole, where we want to leave but don't want to leave in any way, making Britain basically the MGTOW of international politics, insisting they're going their own way, but never going away and instead still just standing their *****ing about their ex.

And the electoral rule breaking of remain?

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Stiff Little Fingers

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Original post by Burton Bridge

And the electoral rule breaking of remain?

Fine, we'll play with your whataboutism. Mind telling me what remain campaign groups were fined and referred to the police like Vote Leave, or fined like Leave.EU?

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Original post by Stiff Little Fingers

Fine, we'll play with your whataboutism. Mind telling me what remain campaign groups were fined and referred to the police like Vote Leave, or fined like Leave.EU?

Pmsl another one :biggrin:

So this what whataboutism only applies to leavers in you're mind also? Again just like @Dez it you that is playing this whatabouty as you two call it!

You cannot complain about the referendum result because 'what about this and that' and then complain about whataboutism (if that's even a thing?) when irony is pointed out in you're arugement!

I'm not sure if there was any fines, however I do know there was some action took by the Electoral Commission for misleading flyers. Interesting you play the what's about the fines as soon as irony is pointed out :biggrin:

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Stiff Little Fingers

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Original post by Burton Bridge

Pmsl another one :biggrin:

So this what whataboutism only applies to leavers in you're mind also? Again just like @Dez it you that is playing this whatabouty as you two call it!

You cannot complain about the referendum result because 'what about this and that' and then complain about whataboutism (if that's even a thing?) when irony is pointed out in you're arugement!

I'm not sure if there was any fines, however I do know there was some action took by the Electoral Commission for misleading flyers. Interesting you play the what's about the fines as soon as irony is pointed out :biggrin:

Right, so to establish then, it was leave campaigns, and only leave campaigns that were found guilty of breaking electoral regulations, and your "what about the remain campaign" is meaningless *******s.

Also, are you seriously asking if whataboutism is actually a thing? It's well known as a diversion tactic, particularly in propaganda: https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/whataboutism-origin-meaning

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tomahawker314

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I think they are a fine party to have elected into the EU simply because it acts as a protest against the two big parties who have quite clearly abandoned voters on all sides, and for the fact that the EU elections shouldn't make much impact in reality as we will be leaving at some point in the near future.
However i very much hope they don't gain momentum beyond that, as many others have pointed out they have very little substance

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ColinDent

Original post by Stiff Little Fingers

Right, so to establish then, it was leave campaigns, and only leave campaigns that were found guilty of breaking electoral regulations, and your "what about the remain campaign" is meaningless *******s.

Also, are you seriously asking if whataboutism is actually a thing? It's well known as a diversion tactic, particularly in propaganda: https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/whataboutism-origin-meaning

As Burton has already pointed out in this thread there was the case of the electoral commission forcing the postal ballot papers to be rewritten due to the example showing a cross in the remain box, but only after thousands had already been sent out.
Not to mention the legal, but morally ambiguous leaflet/ EU propaganda sheet that was sent to every UK household on the eve ( no not literally for the pedants) of the purdah using £millions of taxpayers money, no balance in that whatsoever.

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