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RIP Jezza. Disgraced all the UK lol. But it's still kinda sad since it's such a British icon, even a bad one. Same for Big Brother. At least Love Island and them are scripted (I'm positive majority of the events have to be planned and written and the antics and "drama" are performances and people can actually make a damned good living after being on it:facepalm2:) whereas Jeremy Kyle has literally benefited all this time from literal bagheads and tw*ts. I always wonder how they get on after seeing themselves. I was constantly egged on to apply to the show. Thankfully I'm not all gone in my head and said **** NO.
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Could you say that rather than mental health support, that the entire premise of The Jeremy Kyle Show exploits vulnerable people? Of course, I agree that not a single person should be blamed for this, but rather its an institutionalised problem.
Jeremy Kyle exploited very difficult situations for the views. He came across as an incredibly vile man on that show in how he treated people. But nobody forces people to go on these shows and I think this shouldn't be ignored. The show has been around for 14 years, everyone who actually chooses to appear on it knows exactly how things can end up coming across.


(Original post by king•axolotl)
Totally agree. To an extent, I suppose both shows are reliant on a varying element of exploitation of their guests. On one hand, young social media stars vying for success in the media industry, on the other, people struggling in their personal lives with an apparent sense of hopelessness. Agree?
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That sounds like "Dog fighting would be ok as long as an official dogfight vet had a look over the animals before and after the fight"
It's my years of being forced to agree with things I disagree with things at debate club, I swear! Anyway, how do you suppose we decide which shows are exploitative of their guests and which aren't? Surely all shows have an element of detriment to those who appear on them, where do we draw the line?
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I’m not sure about after show care on these programmes? How long is it reasonable for ITV to be looking after its former participants?

Moreover with some shows the broadcaster is not the same as the people who produce the programme. Take the GBBO, it’s produced by Love productions but broadcast by channel 4. Who’s responsible there?
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I suppose they're on different spectrums. Sex on TV in LI vs the issues on JK. Do you think there are any other shows this could extend to that have a similar level of popularity?
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I don't think it comes down to the guests on each show, I think it's a matter of their controversy. JK is much more controversial and shocking to watch than LI and I think that's where the double standards lie.
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Oh and I dont think the show is being axed cos of that. I'm sure there are way more incidents. I think viewership has gone down, or Jeremy put his foot in his mouth and lost investors/sponsors or whatever. I remember there was an old woman who was accused by her adult daughter for trying to kill her! Jezza literally did NOTHING to solve this, he made it worse, gave the woman a good lashing for it and took the daughter's side, I remember it like yesterday. And then had the old woman booed, and she limped off stage to hide with her cane some time later the daughter returns on the show saying her mother died from an illness and Jezza was tryna be all supportive.

Another incident was when Jezza told this young lad off for being a deadbeat, when the guy swore he's not and that he's not the dad and the woman sleeps around. The woman comes back and does a dad test, and the poor guy wasnt even the father. He had a literal breakdown, so finally Jez told the girl off

Oh and another time...these girls came on stage saying this girl sent her photos of a dead baby. And that the girl lost her own baby and had a funeral for it so the girls damaged the grave...the girl ended up losing her family, they called her sick and vile. Her whole family fell apart over the course of a half hour..Jezza entertains nonsense..

Not to mention all the other guests who expose their very private matters because they think this drama is a moneymaker. It's not. How can you come on there with no teeth in ur head literally rattling because ur a drug addict, fighting ur family, because you think Jez, a total unqualified instigator, will help you? :rofl: the only thing he should do are the dad tests. Revealing secrets, confessions, and those segments where people just come to "hash it out" need to be binned.

Its no bother to Jeremy Kyle, guy will sit on his millions.
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And if the mental health impact is longer term, then how are producers supposed to help their former guests - for the rest of their lives? This possibly highlights the importance of pre-show screening, but if the issues are inherent to the premise of the show then I suppose the issue will never change. Thanks for the point about production companies, very insightful.
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I’m not sure about after show care on these programmes? How long is it reasonable for ITV to be looking after its former participants?

Moreover with some shows the broadcaster is not the same as the people who produce the programme. Take the GBBO, it’s produced by Love productions but broadcast by channel 4. Who’s responsible there?
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Oh and I dont think the show is being axed cos of that. I'm sure there are way more incidents. I think viewership has gone down, or Jeremy put his foot in his mouth and lost investors/sponsors or whatever. I remember there was an old woman who was accused by her adult daughter for trying to kill her! Jezza literally did NOTHING to solve this, he made it worse, gave the woman a good lashing for it and took the daughter's side, I remember it like yesterday. And then had the old woman booed, and she limped off stage to hide with her cane some time later the daughter returns on the show saying her mother died from an illness and Jezza was tryna be all supportive.

Another incident was when Jezza told this young lad off for being a deadbeat, when the guy swore he's not and that he's not the dad and the woman sleeps around. The woman comes back and does a dad test, and the poor guy wasnt even the father. He had a literal breakdown, so finally Jez told the girl off

Oh and another time...these girls came on stage saying this girl sent her photos of a dead baby. And that the girl lost her own baby and had a funeral for it so the girls damaged the grave...the girl ended up losing her family, they called her sick and vile. Her whole family fell apart over the course of a half hour..Jezza entertains nonsense..

Not to mention all the other guests who expose their very private matters because they think this drama is a moneymaker. It's not. How can you come on there with no teeth in ur head literally rattling because ur a drug addict, fighting ur family, because you think Jez, a total unqualified instigator, will help you? :rofl: the only thing he should do are the dad tests. Revealing secrets, confessions, and those segments where people just come to "hash it out" need to be binned.

Its no bother to Jeremy Kyle, guy will sit on his millions.
Thanks for the response - you perhaps have more insight in to the show than I do! Do you think this problem expands to YouTube and other forms of social media. People willingly reveal very personal problems on line in lieu of 'storytimes' - not out of line with the content on the Jeremy Kyle show - on a platform that will too exist forever. You can pull out your phone and ruin someone's reputation as is done on the Jeremy Kyle Show. Can this issue ever be resolved? Or does it just shift on to a new platform?
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(Original post by king•axolotl)
It's my years of being forced to agree with things I disagree with things at debate club, I swear! Anyway, how do you suppose we decide which shows are exploitative of their guests and which aren't? Surely all shows have an element of detriment to those who appear on them, where do we draw the line?
To be glib I suspect that line moves constantly and 'totally depends'. Parallel to the established line of law and process we seem to have 'Have you seriously pissed enough people off for it to matter?' and that seems pretty socially consistent. IMO anyway. Many would say the JK show has been on thin ice for a long long time.
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I’m just getting started with exams 😬 had two already and have 3 on Monday haha

Thanks for asking that’s sweet of you lol :hugs:

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which exams did u have? how's it going? :yes:
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(Original post by king•axolotl)
Thanks for the response - you perhaps have more insight in to the show than I do! Do you think this problem expands to YouTube and other forms of social media. People willingly reveal very personal problems on line in lieu of 'storytimes' - not out of line with the content on the Jeremy Kyle show - on a platform that will too exist forever. You can pull out your phone and ruin someone's reputation as is done on the Jeremy Kyle Show. Can this issue ever be resolved? Or does it just shift on to a new platform?
...did u bait me into helping you with ur coursework? :hmmm:
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Definitely agree. As @Bang Outta Order outlined, this certainly isn’t an isolated incident, and reflects a history of mistreatment. It’s subject issues, I suppose, often inherently ‘cross the line’ by publicly associating the guests with very personal, embarrassing, ‘socially unacceptable’ and reputation-damaging matters.
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To be glib I suspect that line moves constantly and 'totally depends'. Parallel to the established line of law and process we seem to have 'Have you seriously pissed enough people off for it to matter?' and that seems pretty socially consistent. IMO anyway. Many would say the JK show has been on thin ice for a long long time.
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Ah yes I’ve been exposed. I’ll be sure to Harvard reference ‘Bang Outta Order’ on my EPQ. Trust me, I always reference properly.

My only A-Level with coursework is History, and that needs to be over a 100-year period. Sadly, Jeremy Kyle is 14. Tempting though.
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...did u bait me into helping you with ur coursework? :hmmm:
But thanks a lot for your responses, very interesting!
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Jeremy Kyle exploited very difficult situations for the views. He came across as an incredibly vile man on that show in how he treated people. But nobody forces people to go on these shows and I think this shouldn't be ignored. The show has been around for 14 years, everyone who actually chooses to appear on it knows exactly how things can end up coming across.
yeah. but clearly when u get those guests on the show who keep coming back and u can see how they've deteriorated over time, that the show does people no good. i knew a couple people who went whether as a guest or audience member, and i heard...simply heard..that they get paid like 100 quid to appear...lol but i also heard they get paid nothing except a night on the town and 15 minutes of fame which they then could benefit from like Cash Me Ousside girl did on Dr Phil. But of course fame never happened to any of them.
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You'd have to pay most people loads to get on the show to do that to themselves, but then apparently those people dont get paid. It seems as if they really value their dramas and facebook statuses so much that they have to go on the show to "solve everything once and for all." :rofl:
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I like both shows, but if Jeremy Kyle is cancelled due to one suicide in fourteen years, then Love Island should be cancelled due to two suicides in four years. It's double standards.
lol people on there offed themselves?? who...? i never watch it..
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lol people on there offed themselves?? who...? i never watch it..
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Agreed love island is a pile of **** and people feel the need to look perfect pushing them to suicide, everyone is unique, not everyone is perfect. Perfect is an illusion of fantasy but mental health is key reality
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uh huh...

while love island sure is trash, i dont think love island has anything to do with their deaths. people have their problems. love island isnt about problems or people's personal lives, it's just a fake dating show where people go on with their real names and can easily become well paid brands, social media/reality stars.

jeremy kyle is about people's problems and personal lives, and there is very little chance of them becoming paid or stars, so it makes sense for them to feel humiliated and regretful going on.
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