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The Jeremy Kyle show has been recently axed from its slot on ITV after one guest, 63-year-old Peter Symond committed suicide after his appearance on the show. He is understood to be one of many former guests who have had struggled with mental health problems after an appearance on the controversial tabloid talk-show.

Questions are now being raised across the TV industry as to whether sufficient after-care provisions are being but in place on reality TV programs.

The argument could be made that if The Jeremy Kyle Show should be axed after a guest suicide (a programme with 16 series and 3,320 episodes), then should ITV too axe other reality programs. A stark example being Love Island, a program with 1/4 the number of series, 5% the number of episodes and 2 recent suicides.

This too could also be to some, a class issue. The Jeremy Kyle Show, a show with a primarily working-class demographic is axed for reasons existent in shows like Love Island with a wealthier demographic, which both tackle issues in the lives of their respective audiences.

I would be interested to hear other peoples' opinions on the matter. I myself am unsure. Do you believe that Jeremy Kyle should have been cancelled? Do you believe that other reality TV shows, like Love Island, should also be looked at under a similar lens? Do you think that this shows bias against the viewers of the show and their background?


PS: This is a very sensitive issue, and I would like to pass on severe condolences to all the victims and families of those affected by suicide. I would like to link the Samaritans should anyone else be affected by depression and suicidal thoughts. https://www.samaritans.org/how-we-ca...act-samaritan/.
If you are going to axe JK for one suicide in what 15 years over 10’000 guests then 3 dying in a couple of years of love island should be open and shut.

They shouldn’t have closed the show
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You'd have to pay most people loads to get on the show to do that to themselves, but then apparently those people dont get paid. It seems as if they really value their dramas and facebook statuses so much that they have to go on the show to "solve everything once and for all." :rofl:
I think it was the benefits people who clamped down maybe a decade ago on the cash payments for shows like these, their view was you're either unemployed and looking for a job constantly or swanning about on tv being paid to chuck chairs at people. And tbh a lot of the people who appeared on it likely don't have the skills to refute such an accusation.
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I have never seen love island or even a trailer for it and the Wikipedia page doesnt help with making an argument for it to be cancelled. To me, it just seems like another fake reality show.

The Jeremy Kyle show was awful though, despite some of it clearly being fake. He takes on issues which are normally dealt with family and relationship counsellors and embarasses them on tv. Imagine a counsellor yelling at people the way he does.

A lie detector is as good as my guess and he treats it as if it is some scientifically proven test. On the YouTube channel, the thumbnails are ridiculing people, whilst he says he helps people, it's quite disgusting.
However, I don't think the show should have ended for the suicide of one man. Maybe for other reasons, a long time ago.
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I agree that Love Island should go.
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Do you think possibly those on the show possibly might feel that family counselling and other forms of therapy are inaccessible so see JK as a way in which their problems can be solved? Again, I agree the show is exploitative if it’s guests, and the use of lie detectors as gospel has always concerned me.
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I have never seen love island or even a trailer for it and the Wikipedia page doesnt help with making an argument for it to be cancelled. To me, it just seems like another fake reality show.

The Jeremy Kyle show was awful though, despite some of it clearly being fake. He takes on issues which are normally dealt with family and relationship counsellors and embarasses them on tv. Imagine a counsellor yelling at people the way he does.

A lie detector is as good as my guess and he treats it as if it is some scientifically proven test. On the YouTube channel, the thumbnails are ridiculing people, whilst he says he helps people, it's quite disgusting.
However, I don't think the show should have ended for the suicide of one man. Maybe for other reasons, a long time ago.
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Do you think possibly those on the show possibly might feel that family counselling and other forms of therapy are inaccessible so see JK as a way in which their problems can be solved? Again, I agree the show is exploitative if it’s guests, and the use of lie detectors as gospel has always concerned me.
Yes, some go on there to seek counselling because of NHS waiting times. I believe that private counselling is offered after, but then go on to be called "a liar" and "a cheat" who "doesnt deserve blah blah blah". It's like those channel 5 shows with the bailiffs and the benefits; like how is it entertaining to watch people struggling to live ?
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I’m confused, is Jeremy Kyle show banned forever or just suspended?
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I'm curious did he commit suicide because of the show or did it just happen to coincide with it?
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I'm curious did he commit suicide because of the show or did it just happen to coincide with it?
That is the million dollar question that nobody has approached. There seems to be no evidence that any of the suicides being discussed were caused or contributed to by the shows being discussed. It could even be that going on the show was a symptom of the mental condition of the people concerned, and that the suicide would have occurred anyway. Nobody knows.
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As with other mental health related deaths, it’s true that the show being the cause of the death being indeterminate remains. However, could you not argue the premise of the show (i.e. revealing embarrassing and potentially shameful truths of peoples’ personal lives) has a definite potential to exacerbate the pre-existing conditions you mentioned and, by taking it off air, we can take away one ‘straw off the camel’s back’ so to speak? A rather big straw methinks....
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That is the million dollar question that nobody has approached. There seems to be no evidence that any of the suicides being discussed were caused or contributed to by the shows being discussed. It could even be that going on the show was a symptom of the mental condition of the people concerned, and that the suicide would have occurred anyway. Nobody knows.
Thanks for the response btw
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As with other mental health related deaths, it’s true that the show being the cause of the death being indeterminate remains. However, could you not argue the premise of the show (i.e. revealing embarrassing and potentially shameful truths of peoples’ personal lives) has a definite potential to exacerbate the pre-existing conditions you mentioned and, by taking it off air, we can take away one ‘straw off the camel’s back’ so to speak? A rather big straw methinks....

Thanks for the response btw
Nobody was ever forced to go on one of these shows. Anybody with mental health issues should obviously steer well clear (as should anybody without mental health problems at all, of course). Only the terminally vain should appear.
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Yeah I actually think that the love island thing wouldn’t have resulted in death without social media. It used to be you could go on telly and, if it didn’t work out, everyone would forget eventually. Plus you went home to friends and family. Maybe getting the odd abuse in the street. But nowadays you embarrass yourself on tv and people hound you on social media. I really liked Sophie. I thought she seemed a lovely (albeit flawed) person. Yes she made a mistake which made a girl come out on TV. But even the girl was ok with that and ended up finding a bit of love while there. However, she was hounded by people who hated her. It’s a warning to us all. Be careful what you say to others because you can’t be sure what they are going through. What battles they are facing.
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It's because Love Island is bringing in a hell of a lot of money and as popular as Jeremy Kyle was, it had a very different negative stigma about it. When people talk about the two people from Love Island who died it becomes a matter of the growing mental health epidemic which surrounds young people and especially those who use social media. They were stars who struggled with the fame. When it comes from the man who died from Jeremy Kyle it's become a matter of the vulnerable in society being bear baited. ITV knows that the backlash isn't worth keeping the Jeremy Kyle show on, but the backlash for Love Island isn't as great at all. It shouldn't be like this. If you're taking Jeremy Kyle off the Love Island should go to as well as all the other TV shows where people can be made to look worse than they actually are. X-Factor and Britain's Got Talent are two that come to mind. You can watch videos on YouTube of people making absolute fools of themselves and we don;t know how these people have coped and of course nobody asks.
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Jeremy Kyle is a **** so thats good news.

Never watched Love Island so I have no opinion on it.
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The situation is not as simple as it sounds. The guest himself was suicidal before he went onto the show, and clearly had issues before he appeared. Not to mention the fact that the Jeremy Kyle show is quite popular, so you knew what you were getting yourself into before you appeared. Thus his death cannot be fully blamed on Jeremy. However, the show had some major faults that needed to be addressed.

For starters, if the guests appeared on the show and acted out, that was their decision. But there is no doubt that the producers and people working there stirred the flames. If a guest has relationships problems or say past addictions, then they are vulnerable for manipulation. Not to mention the fact that most came from deprived areas. What they did, sometimes caused the opposite affect than what was intended. For example, if someone is remorseful or feeling guilty to the point of being unstable, then shouting at them only makes things worst. There were many instances where guests didn't act out and all the shouting caused them to do so.

Regarding Love Island, I have never watched it. However the same logic applies. Reality TV today is based on entertainment and manipulation. Everyone wants views and money. Unfortunately what the Jeremy Kyle show did isn't unique. Everyone wants entertainment, but it's the manipulation that is an issue. If shows like this want to continue making money, they will use any means possible. But they should think twice on the way they approach advertising different situations and people on TV. When you use blackmail/manipulation and lack respect, then your show/episode should never be aired. Harsher regulations and standards need to be in place, so that you actually help the people who go on there, not hurt them. :mad:
(Original post by king•axolotl)
The Jeremy Kyle show has been recently axed from its slot on ITV after one guest, 63-year-old Peter Symond committed suicide after his appearance on the show. He is understood to be one of many former guests who have had struggled with mental health problems after an appearance on the controversial tabloid talk-show.

Questions are now being raised across the TV industry as to whether sufficient after-care provisions are being but in place on reality TV programs.

The argument could be made that if The Jeremy Kyle Show should be axed after a guest suicide (a programme with 16 series and 3,320 episodes), then should ITV too axe other reality programs. A stark example being Love Island, a program with 1/4 the number of series, 5% the number of episodes and 2 recent suicides.

This too could also be to some, a class issue. The Jeremy Kyle Show, a show with a primarily working-class demographic is axed for reasons existent in shows like Love Island with a wealthier demographic, which both tackle issues in the lives of their respective audiences.

I would be interested to hear other peoples' opinions on the matter. I myself am unsure. Do you believe that Jeremy Kyle should have been cancelled? Do you believe that other reality TV shows, like Love Island, should also be looked at under a similar lens? Do you think that this shows bias against the viewers of the show and their background?


PS: This is a very sensitive issue, and I would like to pass on severe condolences to all the victims and families of those affected by suicide. I would like to link the Samaritans should anyone else be affected by depression and suicidal thoughts. https://www.samaritans.org/how-we-ca...act-samaritan/.
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Absolutely. You can't yeet on Jez for one suicide in more than a decade whilst leaving Love Island (which has double the kill count) alone.
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Absolutely. You can't yeet on Jez for one suicide in more than a decade whilst leaving Love Island (which has double the kill count) alone.
Triple, one of the partners killed them self over it
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I'm curious did he commit suicide because of the show or did it just happen to coincide with it?
Apparently, the lie detector results confirmed to his partner once and for all that he did cheat on her (whether this is true or not, however, is a matter up for debate, along with the accuracy of the show's lie detector testing), and this led to his suicide. However, I believe Mr Dymond was already in a fragile mental state before appearing on the show - as are, it seems, many of the participants. In fact, it seems almost as if such people are more attractive to the production company as they make for better television when Jeremy is shouting at them? All in all, the Jeremy Kyle show always seemed a bit like human bear baiting to me, which took advantage of the participants' very fragile conditions and volatile moods, often never coming anywhere near to an actual resolution for them, all in the name of entertainment (and of course ultimately profit). So I think it is probably time this show came to an end, despite its popularity.

As for Love Island, this is a show that seems to take advantage of participants' apparently dangerously large egos and hidden insecurities, damaging the outlooks on appearance and relationships of both those who take part and those who view it, especially the younger viewers, who are most impressionable and make up the lion's share of the figures. As we have seen with the death of Mike Thalasis, this can have consequences as grave as suicide. While it no doubt gets great ratings for ITV, it does feel like it should be their responsibility as the UK's second largest broadcaster to not put out media that can damage their customers so horrifically.

Anyway, that's my two pennies' worth. I don't/didn't watch either myself tbh, but this is such a relevant issue that more opinions on the matter can't be a bad thing.
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I think their logic is that Jeremy Kyle directly 'exploits' and almost glamorises issues such as cheating/ drug use etc. Whereas love island at face value is just about love. Also, the people on love island committed suicide due to the fame, rather than because of the show itself.
However, I think love island should definitely have been cancelled if Jeremy Kyle has been. JK features people who frequently use drugs for example, so it's more likely people are going to die. Whereas Love Island features normal people, and clearly causes problems to both contests and audience. So I understand why JK was cancelled, but if they're so concerned then love island should also be cancelled. It's all about money though.
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I think their logic is that Jeremy Kyle directly 'exploits' and almost glamorises issues such as cheating/ drug use etc. Whereas love island at face value is just about love. Also, the people on love island committed suicide due to the fame, rather than because of the show itself.
However, I think love island should definitely have been cancelled if Jeremy Kyle has been. JK features people who frequently use drugs for example, so it's more likely people are going to die. Whereas Love Island features normal people, and clearly causes problems to both contests and audience. So I understand why JK was cancelled, but if they're so concerned then love island should also be cancelled. It's all about money though.
I agree. Although, can it be said that love island is really about love? If that is really what true love is then this world is in a sorry state
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I agree that Love Island should go.
Mike Thalassitis appeared on 'Celebs Go Dating' more recently than Love Island, so why is no-one calling for 'Celebs....' to be axed? That could have contributed to his problems.
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