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Is it the rigid dogmatism that led to the deaths of 50m following Mao's Great Leap Forward, or is it the tamed and compassionate capitalism of the Scandinavian countries? Something in-between?
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Is it the rigid dogmatism that led to the deaths of 50m following Mao's Great Leap Forward, or is it the tamed and compassionate capitalism of the Scandinavian countries? Something in-between?
That's like saying what's religion, is it Christianity or Islam.

It is neither. It is the basic ideology and framework that drives both.
By the way, your post makes it sound like the Socialist scandinavian countries are better for their socialistic elements. That is not necessarily the case.
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Fundamentally, I think of it as utopianism, which is fundamentally both a potentially lovely and potentially horrific idea for us to play with. But like with all things, it's on a spectrum. Anyway, I don't know a lot about the idea.
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socialism is good in theory but faulty in execution capitalism is the only system we have created that works well enough
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Generally speaking, a noble idea that though has to fail as it ignores several laws of the economy as well as human nature.

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Is it the rigid dogmatism that led to the deaths of 50m following Mao's Great Leap Forward
No, Mao was just a psychopath and imbecile.
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Socialism is something which people like because, to the best of my knowledge, it essentially equates to free stuff... As well as increased taxes, potential austerity and increased government management in things which could prove to be inefficient

I only ever see two types people 'advocating' socialism: teens who are ignorant to the fact that they're thriving in a capitalist country, and people who have been apparently 'failed' by the capitalist system when in reality they haven't done enough in the world to warrant 'being failed'
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Neither.

Socialism is the idea that the means of production would be owned collectively by workers.


Neither Mao's China or Scandanavia come even remotely close to that.
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socialism is good in theory but faulty in execution capitalism is the only system we have created that works well enough
It's a great idea generally, but British society just isn't made for it. We celebrate those who work hard and outcast those who don't want to work for their laziness, whereas in socialist nations it's like "well, if you don't want to work and just live on the basic allowance, that's up to you".
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It's a great idea generally, but British society just isn't made for it. We celebrate those who work hard and outcast those who don't want to work for their laziness, whereas in socialist nations it's like "well, if you don't want to work and just live on the basic allowance, that's up to you".
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Socialism is something which people like because, to the best of my knowledge, it essentially equates to free stuff... As well as increased taxes, potential austerity and increased government management in things which could prove to be inefficient

I only ever see two types people 'advocating' socialism: teens who are ignorant to the fact that they're thriving in a capitalist country, and people who have been apparently 'failed' by the capitalist system when in reality they haven't done enough in the world to warrant 'being failed'
Might be of interest to both of you that capitalists in the past have argued for UBI.
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Socialism essentially aims for equality of outcome. I much prefer meritocracy.
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(Original post by Burridge)
Is it the rigid dogmatism that led to the deaths of 50m following Mao's Great Leap Forward, or is it the tamed and compassionate capitalism of the Scandinavian countries? Something in-between?
It's the movement that was initiated with the publication of The Communist Manifesto.

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That's like saying what's religion, is it Christianity or Islam.

It is neither. It is the basic ideology and framework that drives both.
By the way, your post makes it sound like the Socialist scandinavian countries are better for their socialistic elements. That is not necessarily the case.
Nonsense. Socialism is a very specific set of ideologies and theories. A better analogy would be to ask "what is Christianity" - the answer is a very specific thing, even though many people take it upon themselves to attempt to broaden and change the definition.

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Socialism is something which people like because, to the best of my knowledge, it essentially equates to free stuff... As well as increased taxes, potential austerity and increased government management in things which could prove to be inefficient

I only ever see two types people 'advocating' socialism: teens who are ignorant to the fact that they're thriving in a capitalist country, and people who have been apparently 'failed' by the capitalist system when in reality they haven't done enough in the world to warrant 'being failed'
Becuase people confuse socialism and social schemes.

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It's a great idea generally, but British society just isn't made for it. We celebrate those who work hard and outcast those who don't want to work for their laziness, whereas in socialist nations it's like "well, if you don't want to work and just live on the basic allowance, that's up to you".
No it isn't. Read Nineteen Eighty-Four for a very accurate picture of true socialism.
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No it isn't. Read Nineteen Eighty-Four for a very accurate picture of true socialism.
Nope, it's one man's views put into a fictional novel and isn't about socialism, it's about Stalinism - Orwell himself said the book was based around this.
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(Original post by It's****ingWOODY)
Nope, it's one man's views put into a fictional novel and isn't about socialism, it's about Stalinism - Orwell himself said the book was based around this.
Read The Communist Manifesto and tell me it's not perfect socialism.
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Read The Communist Manifesto and tell me it's not perfect socialism.
Marxism. There are elements of socialism there, but it's certainly no complete example of modern socialism.
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the Germans tried Socialism in the Thirties and Forties... that did not turn out well :emo:
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when i think of socialism i immediately think of the word 'parasites'
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The current centre-left of Europe is probably more racist than the current centre-right of Europe, and at least the centre-left of the UK is. The socialist parties have managed to disenfranchise a significant amount of the minority ethnic community and lower class people, in favour of championing a war against their own kind and forwarding racism.
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Is it the rigid dogmatism that led to the deaths of 50m following Mao's Great Leap Forward, or is it the tamed and compassionate capitalism of the Scandinavian countries? Something in-between?
There is absolutely no point in mentioning the type of socialism that we've had in the UK with the pretend socialism of murderous dictators. It's like saying that doctor patient relationships are all like what Harold Shipman had. It is a betrayal of the actual meaning. Socialism is, by definition 'the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole'. Anything that claims to be socialism but that doesn't (peacefully) fulfil that is not actually socialism.
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The NHS is a socialist inspired creation and most people support its existence.
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