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Following my last year in college, I am hoping to attend RMA Sandhurst, to then work in my chosen field of intelligence. This is to 1) full fill my passion of being in the military, and 2)work in my chosen passion of counter intelligence, counter terrorism and national security.

However I have a few questions.
I was convinces for a while that working in in intelligence would by just consist of IT and communications, however after doing my research I found out you can choose to specialise in futher sectors. For me this would be counter intelligence, as my overall ambition is to work for the government in counter terrorism and national security.
However I was wondering how this works?
Will I choose intelligence at Sandhurst, then specialise in further training?
Will I have to work in all areas before choosing to concentrate in counter intelligence?

I do not feel there is enough materials available for this ad was wondering if anyone can offer a answer which explains the basic of how I will specialise/ work up to the position i would like.

Thanks in advance.
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Firstly, one of the most basic things you need to know is Personal Security, it took me 1 Google and maybe 15 seconds to find you on twitter with a fully open profile having used your fairly unique name on here. I would be surprised if they didn't do the same.
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I do not feel there is enough materials available for this ad was wondering if anyone can offer a answer which explains the basic of how I will specialise/ work up to the position i would like.
Due to the nature of the work you will struggle to find much information on the job role outside of that provided by the Army. Included on their website are these specialisations for soldiers, I highlighted the one that is "IT and communications" as you alluded to.
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Intelligence is vital to the Army’s success. Highly trained Intelligence Corps soldiers work behind the scenes, gathering and interpreting information and passing it along to commanders so they can make important tactical decisions.

Operational intelligence
Counter intelligence and security
Imagery intelligence
Signals intelligence
Close passive surveillance
Human intelligence
Cyber intelligence
Languages

I don't know how it works for an Officer rather than a Soldier, this is all I found on the Army site.
Normally I would suggest that Officers don't tend to do as opposed to lead/manage, but from my limited experience with the Int Corps they were more hands on than others so I'm not too sure on how it would go for specialising.
As mentioned, I'm not fully versed in the Rupert way of life, but I believe you go to RMA Sandhurst then you are essentially competing to get the Corps/Role you want with no guarantees. I believe the Int Corps is one of the hardest to get into. I believe the majority hold Bachelor Degrees.
Happy to be proven wrong on the above points.
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Thankyou very much, I regards to my open twitter account- I hadn't even thought about that but will change my privacy settings (good job there's nothing outrageous on there, just politics!)
Thanks for the advice, much appreciated.
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Firstly, one of the most basic things you need to know is Personal Security, it took me 1 Google and maybe 15 seconds to find you on twitter with a fully open profile having used your fairly unique name on here. I would be surprised if they didn't do the same.

Due to the nature of the work you will struggle to find much information on the job role outside of that provided by the Army. Included on their website are these specialisations for soldiers, I highlighted the one that is "IT and communications" as you alluded to.
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Intelligence is vital to the Army’s success. Highly trained Intelligence Corps soldiers work behind the scenes, gathering and interpreting information and passing it along to commanders so they can make important tactical decisions.

Operational intelligence
Counter intelligence and security
Imagery intelligence
Signals intelligence
Close passive surveillance
Human intelligence
Cyber intelligence
Languages

I don't know how it works for an Officer rather than a Soldier, this is all I found on the Army site.
Normally I would suggest that Officers don't tend to do as opposed to lead/manage, but from my limited experience with the Int Corps they were more hands on than others so I'm not too sure on how it would go for specialising.
As mentioned, I'm not fully versed in the Rupert way of life, but I believe you go to RMA Sandhurst then you are essentially competing to get the Corps/Role you want with no guarantees. I believe the Int Corps is one of the hardest to get into. I believe the majority hold Bachelor Degrees.
Happy to be proven wrong on the above points.
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Also, you said you have had some experience with the Intelligence corps, was there much infantry/ on the ground action? As this is again something I'm very passionate about and would love to do as part of my potential role. Was this available to yourself in your chosen role?
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I was in the Signals, so our paths often crossed on Exercises, however I had usually set up the HQ comms them then spent my time chilling in my wagon playing xbox and responding to tech issues...
As an Int Corps Officer you are not going to be out on the ground doing infantry stuff... not that anyone really is these days outside of SF.
During Afghanistan, Int Corps Soldiers were out and about with the Infantry. Officers though, I doubt it happened often.
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Also, you said you have had some experience with the Intelligence corps, was there much infantry/ on the ground action? As this is again something I'm very passionate about and would love to do as part of my potential role. Was this available to yourself in your chosen role?
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Okay thanks.
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I was in the Signals, so our paths often crossed on Exercises, however I had usually set up the HQ comms them then spent my time chilling in my wagon playing xbox and responding to tech issues...
As an Int Corps Officer you are not going to be out on the ground doing infantry stuff... not that anyone really is these days outside of SF.
During Afghanistan, Int Corps Soldiers were out and about with the Infantry. Officers though, I doubt it happened often.
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(Original post by Sophie Urquhart)
Hi.
Following my last year in college, I am hoping to attend RMA Sandhurst, to then work in my chosen field of intelligence. This is to 1) full fill my passion of being in the military, and 2)work in my chosen passion of counter intelligence, counter terrorism and national security.

However I have a few questions.
I was convinces for a while that working in in intelligence would by just consist of IT and communications, however after doing my research I found out you can choose to specialise in futher sectors. For me this would be counter intelligence, as my overall ambition is to work for the government in counter terrorism and national security.
However I was wondering how this works?
Will I choose intelligence at Sandhurst, then specialise in further training?
Will I have to work in all areas before choosing to concentrate in counter intelligence?

I do not feel there is enough materials available for this ad was wondering if anyone can offer a answer which explains the basic of how I will specialise/ work up to the position i would like.

Thanks in advance.
Hi, I'm an ex cadet and know a few guys in the INT corps. You will not be doing much IT and Comms at all but you can choose to. The Officers do much more management and much less field engagement. You can get on nice courses with the guys but it depends on what's available. Most have bachelor's degrees, even at soldier level. It's extremely competitive so make sure you have good backups! I strongly recommend instead that you go for a civvy agency and do the army reserves in the background.

In terms of field experience, you won't do much as an officer at all. The soldiers get all that - and they can be attached to SF as well. If a soldier is more experienced, a minister would rather they present any intelligence and reports even if they're just a low rank. If you go soldier, you get to do all the more hands on stuff, specialising in an intelligence trade and you will still get to present and work with the big folk. It's just that the pay, initial quality of life etc is lower.

You seem very hands on. If i were you, I'd join a civillian agency OR if you really like the military life - soldier is perfect for you.

Prestige, career security, money, leadership = Intelligence officer
Specialising in operating in one intelligence trade, full engagement with the field and infantry = soldier (OPMI)
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Hi thanks for the feedback.
I know that the majority of an officer’a work consists of management over engagement.
Do you have any examples of task and roles played daily by an intelligence officer?
I was only wondering that if I wanted to maintain a more active role but still continue to peruse bing an officer, should I look at an infantry officer role over intelligence? As like I’ve said this is something I’m passionate about also.
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Hi thanks for the feedback.

I know that the majority of an officer’a work consists of management over engagement.
Do you have any examples of task and roles played daily by an intelligence officer?
As I have said. The only accurate information you will get on this is from the Army website or the AFCO, not a cadet on a student forum. It is a job that requires top security clearance.
I was only wondering that if I wanted to maintain a more active role but still continue to peruse bing an officer, should I look at an infantry officer role over intelligence? As like I’ve said this is something I’m passionate about also.
Again, you need to speak to a careers adviser.
Thanks

What do you mean by active role? Why do you want to join the army? What experience do you have of the Military? Have you spoken to the Careers Office? Are you aware that he chances of you getting into Sandhurst let alone Int Corps without a Degree is assumed to be minute?
AFAIK there hasn't been a female Infantry Officer - I would imagine there would be a song and dance of it in the press like there was for the first female to pass Junior Brecon

You really need to speak to someone in recruiting who can give you actual advice. Not me or anyone else online.
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(Original post by Molseh)
Hi thanks for the feedback.

I know that the majority of an officer’a work consists of management over engagement.
Do you have any examples of task and roles played daily by an intelligence officer?
As I have said. The only accurate information you will get on this is from the Army website or the AFCO, not a cadet on a student forum. It is a job that requires top security clearance.
I was only wondering that if I wanted to maintain a more active role but still continue to peruse bing an officer, should I look at an infantry officer role over intelligence? As like I’ve said this is something I’m passionate about also.
Again, you need to speak to a careers adviser.
Thanks

What do you mean by active role? Why do you want to join the army? What experience do you have of the Military? Have you spoken to the Careers Office? Are you aware that he chances of you getting into Sandhurst let alone Int Corps without a Degree is assumed to be minute?
AFAIK there hasn't been a female Infantry Officer - I would imagine there would be a song and dance of it in the press like there was for the first female to pass Junior Brecon

You really need to speak to someone in recruiting who can give you actual advice. Not me or anyone else online.
Do you really think the AFCO will give fully accurate up to date information? There's a reason they're infamous for only telling recruits what they want to hear. That's something I heard from serving soldiers and hence I went out to get my own info *as well*.

You can find out a surprising amount of info online. There are LITERALLY forums online for Army topics where experienced soldiers and personnel provide their input??

The information I am mentioning comes from speaking with current and ex-service members in the INT Corps and other intelligence agencies.


(Original post by Sophie Urquhart)
Hi thanks for the feedback.
I know that the majority of an officer’a work consists of management over engagement.
Do you have any examples of task and roles played daily by an intelligence officer?
I was only wondering that if I wanted to maintain a more active role but still continue to peruse bing an officer, should I look at an infantry officer role over intelligence? As like I’ve said this is something I’m passionate about also.
Thanks
I had the exact same questions as you, Sophie. The only thing I'm sure of for "daily tasks" is that it's extremely likely you will be commanding a team of intelligence operatives - who will be doing the collecting of intelligence. You will be involved with some analysis, some collation and will engage with the intelligence. As an officer, despite mainly only doing management, you can choose to specialise in one field - for example SIGINT (Intelligence from signals and comms) or HUMINT (Human intelligence, informants, cultural studies) or even GEOINT (Geospatial intelligence - analysing maps and things like satellite imagery).

The majority of work consists of management, but you do engage with intelligence. From what I have heard, it's incredibly unlikely you will be doing any actual intelligence collection in the field; though you will be supervising it! There are a range of roles you can do. You can work in the UK or overseas directly for the government - advising on things like terrorism and domestic national security issues. You may also be working with another agency such as SIS or the Security service on a posting, or in a warzone making sure all intelligence is credible and is presented, collated and actioned on correctly.

You can also get involved with fields like Cyber Security.

If by "Active" you mean "fighting, patrolling, nitty-gritty cool stuff" then like I said, I would think about the soldier role as you WILL become a specialist in a certain intelligence trade AND also get active with patrols, attachments to infantry, or even working in operations (both in the ops room and on the ground) with Special Forces. As a soldier, you can take up some really cool positions especially at the ranks of Corporal and Sergeant (unlike most other units, on completion of phase 2 you will join your intelligence battalion as a Lance Corporal, on around £25,000 per year). I used to know a Sergeant who had taken up an advisory post for a national security pursuit in the Ministry of Defense. As a soldier, the prestige and fancy pay officers get is not very prominent, but from what I've heard the level of flexibility and specialisation in an active intelligence trade is slightly more present than an officer role. REMEMBER most soldier ranks do have bachelor's degrees! INT soldiers have to go through a rigorous and different selection process (called technical selection) to assess their capability as analysts. Note I'm talking about the Operator Military Intelligence (OPMI) role not the OPTI (technical intelligence - linguist) role.

Infantry officers are extremely active and engaging with the unit. They often lead from the front as Platoon and company commanders and have an insane level of responsibility. I considered this also - and decided against it as you will not be doing any intelligence as an Infantry Officer. It is almost purely leadership and management based with a very strong element of fighting and commanding troops in the field. It is not a technical role comparable to an Intelligence Officer.

That being said, both officer and soldier DO allow for fantastic career prospects especially in management roles (officer) and Civilian agencies.

I strongly suggest you browse and search a forum called ARRSE (no joke) and contact your AFCO - though from experience they will have nearly nothing to say about the intelligence role.

Take a look at this as a starting point: https://www.arrse.co.uk/community/th...-corps.184816/

Much of it is spam, but do your own digging around and you'll find some promising stuff. If you need extra info, please PM me.

Note: All of the above is open source information and can be found freely on the internet - its accuracy is confirmed by my personal experiences.

(If anyone knows anything I said is verifiably false, please correct it!)
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You are a self proclaimed ex-cadet, your "info" is from google or 2nd/3rd/4th hand. You are acting like the cadets in basic who rock up thinking they know everything and end up being back-trooped 3 times.
ARRSE is as unreliable as here for up-to-date relevant information.
The AFCO has the means to contact every Corps/Reg it needs to to get information an applicant wants and that the Army wants to give them.
Any information on an Int Corps job beyond the basic information on the Army Website and available from the AFCO is pure hear say. The Developed Vetting required for roles is the reason.

Do yourself a favour and stop acting all bertie big *******s on an online forum because you spent a few weekends and evening wearing green and sleeping outside.
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Do you really think the AFCO will give fully accurate up to date information? There's a reason they're infamous for only telling recruits what they want to hear. That's something I heard from serving soldiers and hence I went out to get my own info *as well*.

You can find out a surprising amount of info online. There are LITERALLY forums online for Army topics where experienced soldiers and personnel provide their input??

The information I am mentioning comes from speaking with current and ex-service members in the INT Corps and other intelligence agencies.



I had the exact same questions as you, Sophie. The only thing I'm sure of for "daily tasks" is that it's extremely likely you will be commanding a team of intelligence operatives - who will be doing the collecting of intelligence. You will be involved with some analysis, some collation and will engage with the intelligence. As an officer, despite mainly only doing management, you can choose to specialise in one field - for example SIGINT (Intelligence from signals and comms) or HUMINT (Human intelligence, informants, cultural studies) or even GEOINT (Geospatial intelligence - analysing maps and things like satellite imagery).

The majority of work consists of management, but you do engage with intelligence. From what I have heard, it's incredibly unlikely you will be doing any actual intelligence collection in the field; though you will be supervising it! There are a range of roles you can do. You can work in the UK or overseas directly for the government - advising on things like terrorism and domestic national security issues. You may also be working with another agency such as SIS or the Security service on a posting, or in a warzone making sure all intelligence is credible and is presented, collated and actioned on correctly.

You can also get involved with fields like Cyber Security.

If by "Active" you mean "fighting, patrolling, nitty-gritty cool stuff" then like I said, I would think about the soldier role as you WILL become a specialist in a certain intelligence trade AND also get active with patrols, attachments to infantry, or even working in operations (both in the ops room and on the ground) with Special Forces. As a soldier, you can take up some really cool positions especially at the ranks of Corporal and Sergeant (unlike most other units, on completion of phase 2 you will join your intelligence battalion as a Lance Corporal, on around £25,000 per year). I used to know a Sergeant who had taken up an advisory post for a national security pursuit in the Ministry of Defense. As a soldier, the prestige and fancy pay officers get is not very prominent, but from what I've heard the level of flexibility and specialisation in an active intelligence trade is slightly more present than an officer role. REMEMBER most soldier ranks do have bachelor's degrees! INT soldiers have to go through a rigorous and different selection process (called technical selection) to assess their capability as analysts. Note I'm talking about the Operator Military Intelligence (OPMI) role not the OPTI (technical intelligence - linguist) role.

Infantry officers are extremely active and engaging with the unit. They often lead from the front as Platoon and company commanders and have an insane level of responsibility. I considered this also - and decided against it as you will not be doing any intelligence as an Infantry Officer. It is almost purely leadership and management based with a very strong element of fighting and commanding troops in the field. It is not a technical role comparable to an Intelligence Officer.

That being said, both officer and soldier DO allow for fantastic career prospects especially in management roles (officer) and Civilian agencies.

I strongly suggest you browse and search a forum called ARRSE (no joke) and contact your AFCO - though from experience they will have nearly nothing to say about the intelligence role.

Take a look at this as a starting point: https://www.arrse.co.uk/community/th...-corps.184816/

Much of it is spam, but do your own digging around and you'll find some promising stuff. If you need extra info, please PM me.

Note: All of the above is open source information and can be found freely on the internet - its accuracy is confirmed by my personal experiences.

(If anyone knows anything I said is verifiably false, please correct it!)
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Thanks very much for all information provided, this is VERY useful!
It's just a tricky situation, as I am certain I will join as an officer due to my own personal strength in leadership, management, communication etc, and I feel this is more suited to my intellectual ability. Likewise, I feel intelligence will be most suited to my own strengths in concentration, focus, engagement etc and also due to the fact that this is my main passion. However most importantly, I do NOT want to be sat in an office every day, therefore the infantry is another consideration. I know this can be challenging for a woman, however I'm willing to take on the challenge if necessary!
Any other pointers will be significantly valued.

(Original post by JunJun08)
Do you really think the AFCO will give fully accurate up to date information? There's a reason they're infamous for only telling recruits what they want to hear. That's something I heard from serving soldiers and hence I went out to get my own info *as well*.

You can find out a surprising amount of info online. There are LITERALLY forums online for Army topics where experienced soldiers and personnel provide their input??

The information I am mentioning comes from speaking with current and ex-service members in the INT Corps and other intelligence agencies.



I had the exact same questions as you, Sophie. The only thing I'm sure of for "daily tasks" is that it's extremely likely you will be commanding a team of intelligence operatives - who will be doing the collecting of intelligence. You will be involved with some analysis, some collation and will engage with the intelligence. As an officer, despite mainly only doing management, you can choose to specialise in one field - for example SIGINT (Intelligence from signals and comms) or HUMINT (Human intelligence, informants, cultural studies) or even GEOINT (Geospatial intelligence - analysing maps and things like satellite imagery).

The majority of work consists of management, but you do engage with intelligence. From what I have heard, it's incredibly unlikely you will be doing any actual intelligence collection in the field; though you will be supervising it! There are a range of roles you can do. You can work in the UK or overseas directly for the government - advising on things like terrorism and domestic national security issues. You may also be working with another agency such as SIS or the Security service on a posting, or in a warzone making sure all intelligence is credible and is presented, collated and actioned on correctly.

You can also get involved with fields like Cyber Security.

If by "Active" you mean "fighting, patrolling, nitty-gritty cool stuff" then like I said, I would think about the soldier role as you WILL become a specialist in a certain intelligence trade AND also get active with patrols, attachments to infantry, or even working in operations (both in the ops room and on the ground) with Special Forces. As a soldier, you can take up some really cool positions especially at the ranks of Corporal and Sergeant (unlike most other units, on completion of phase 2 you will join your intelligence battalion as a Lance Corporal, on around £25,000 per year). I used to know a Sergeant who had taken up an advisory post for a national security pursuit in the Ministry of Defense. As a soldier, the prestige and fancy pay officers get is not very prominent, but from what I've heard the level of flexibility and specialisation in an active intelligence trade is slightly more present than an officer role. REMEMBER most soldier ranks do have bachelor's degrees! INT soldiers have to go through a rigorous and different selection process (called technical selection) to assess their capability as analysts. Note I'm talking about the Operator Military Intelligence (OPMI) role not the OPTI (technical intelligence - linguist) role.

Infantry officers are extremely active and engaging with the unit. They often lead from the front as Platoon and company commanders and have an insane level of responsibility. I considered this also - and decided against it as you will not be doing any intelligence as an Infantry Officer. It is almost purely leadership and management based with a very strong element of fighting and commanding troops in the field. It is not a technical role comparable to an Intelligence Officer.

That being said, both officer and soldier DO allow for fantastic career prospects especially in management roles (officer) and Civilian agencies.

I strongly suggest you browse and search a forum called ARRSE (no joke) and contact your AFCO - though from experience they will have nearly nothing to say about the intelligence role.

Take a look at this as a starting point: https://www.arrse.co.uk/community/th...-corps.184816/

Much of it is spam, but do your own digging around and you'll find some promising stuff. If you need extra info, please PM me.

Note: All of the above is open source information and can be found freely on the internet - its accuracy is confirmed by my personal experiences.

(If anyone knows anything I said is verifiably false, please correct it!)
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