What Thursday's vote should be about Watch

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What this election should be about:

Global warming.
Climate emergency.
Mass extinctions.
Major losses of soils and viable farmlands.
Miserable conditions for many of the poorer families and workers.
Lack of secure work.
Massive increases in tax avoidance amongst the very rich.

What this election is apparently about right now:

Nigel Farage.
Reactionary racism.
Different brands of right wing politics - one lot are in favour of the slightly more moderate policies of the EU, the other lot in favour of totally destructive and completely unequal unfettered capitalism.
Values of the 1950s.
Nostalgia for an imaginary past.
The politics of the elderly and the wealthy.

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(Original post by Fullofsurprises)
What this election should be about:

Global warming.
Climate emergency.
Mass extinctions.
Major losses of soils and viable farmlands.
Miserable conditions for many of the poorer families and workers.
Lack of secure work.
Massive increases in tax avoidance amongst the very rich.

What this election is apparently about right now:

Nigel Farage.
Reactionary racism.
Different brands of right wing politics - one lot are in favour of the slightly more moderate policies of the EU, the other lot in favour of totally destructive and completely unequal unfettered capitalism.
Values of the 1950s.
Nostalgia for an imaginary past.
The politics of the elderly and the wealthy.

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You feel the need to write this again why?
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(Original post by Fullofsurprises)
What this election should be about:

Global warming.
Climate emergency.
Mass extinctions.
Major losses of soils and viable farmlands.
Miserable conditions for many of the poorer families and workers.
Lack of secure work.
Massive increases in tax avoidance amongst the very rich.

What this election is apparently about right now:

Nigel Farage.
Reactionary racism.
Different brands of right wing politics - one lot are in favour of the slightly more moderate policies of the EU, the other lot in favour of totally destructive and completely unequal unfettered capitalism.
Values of the 1950s.
Nostalgia for an imaginary past.
The politics of the elderly and the wealthy.

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Repeatedly calling racism to things you don't understand is not an effective way of getting you're point accross.

Leaving the EU has nothing to do with Reactionary racism.
right wing politics
unfettered capitalism.
Values of the 1950s.
Nostalgia for an imaginary past, I find it particularly funny that you deem a imaginary past, when you was not their and they was!
The politics of the elderly and the wealthy,

All you are doing is showing you lack a knowledge to understand why people wish to leave the EU.
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(Original post by Fullofsurprises)
What this election should be about:

Global warming.
Climate emergency.
Mass extinctions.
Major losses of soils and viable farmlands.
Miserable conditions for many of the poorer families and workers.
Lack of secure work.
Massive increases in tax avoidance amongst the very rich.

What this election is apparently about right now:

Nigel Farage.
Reactionary racism.
Different brands of right wing politics - one lot are in favour of the slightly more moderate policies of the EU, the other lot in favour of totally destructive and completely unequal unfettered capitalism.
Values of the 1950s.
Nostalgia for an imaginary past.
The politics of the elderly and the wealthy.

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You are insulting many people in this country who voted for legitimate reasons.

My personal opinion is that people should not vote on Thursday. They should stay away. The UK is out of the European Union. Focus on national politics and how to ensure the Tories are held accountable for years of intentional destruction of public services.
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...according to the Monetary Policy Committee of the Bank Of England, house prices Will crash, possibly by as much as 35% + if we have a hard brexit...

The single biggest investment you make in your life is buying a house.

For the latter half of the twentieth century, the average house price could be bought for no more than 3.5x individual salary.
That was the long term median.
It's now 10x salary. Its insane. Its disgraceful. Its criminal

Every political party has sworn that they will make housing affordable again and again. They roll out the same lies year after year after year...

The head of the civil service, has been advising May, telling her to 'keep the status quo going' however much misery it has caused.

The people just a few years older than you were able to buy a house, then watch, as their house doubled in price just two years, 1997-2007, and tripled from 97 to 2007...whilst wages remained stagnant.

Using their new found equity, [to borrow from the banks, who pushed the credit boom in housing] they were able to buy, what would have a been a First Time Buyers house, [YOUR F****G HOUSE] and then rent it out to those coming after them...YOU....

Is that FAIR? You paying for their retirement, never able to afford equity of your own?

I CANT STAND RACISTS. BUT IM VOTING WITH MY WALLET. IM VOTING LEAVE.

**I expect this will receive lots of criticism, the only noteworthy financial criticism will be from those who say that industry may suffer, and as therefore as a result you may not be able to afford a house, because you lose your job...in that case, if were all f***ed, then at last there'll be some economic equality finally!

IF YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD A HOUSE, IF YOU WANT TO SEE THEM COME BACK DOWN, VOTING LEAVE IS YOUR BEST BET.

Millions of people are voting leave for economic reasons, and are labelled racists, when all they ever wanted was a fair shot...the same shot that those older generations got...

Rant Over. Im voting Leave, hoping house prices come back down to an affordable level, then voting Green, from now on, unless we have a rapid sea change in politics....introducing FPTP etc...
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...according to the Monetary Policy Committee of the Bank Of England, house prices Will crash, possibly by as much as 35% + if we have a hard brexit...

The single biggest investment you make in your life is buying a house.

For the latter half of the twentieth century, the average house price could be bought for no more than 3.5x individual salary.
That was the long term median.
It's now 10x salary. Its insane. Its disgraceful. Its criminal

Every political party has sworn that they will make housing affordable again and again. They roll out the same lies year after year after year...

The head of the civil service, has been advising May, telling her to 'keep the status quo going' however much misery it has caused.

The people just a few years older than you were able to buy a house, then watch, as their house doubled in price just two years, 1997-2007, and tripled from 97 to 2007...whilst wages remained stagnant.

Using their new found equity, [to borrow from the banks, who pushed the credit boom in housing] they were able to buy, what would have a been a First Time Buyers house, [YOUR F****G HOUSE] and then rent it out to those coming after them...YOU....

Is that FAIR? You paying for their retirement, never able to afford equity of your own?

I CANT STAND RACISTS. BUT IM VOTING WITH MY WALLET. IM VOTING LEAVE.

**I expect this will receive lots of criticism, the only noteworthy financial criticism will be from those who say that industry may suffer, and as therefore as a result you may not be able to afford a house, because you lose your job...in that case, if were all f***ed, then at last there'll be some economic equality finally!

IF YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD A HOUSE, IF YOU WANT TO SEE THEM COME BACK DOWN, VOTING LEAVE IS YOUR BEST BET.

Millions of people are voting leave for economic reasons, and are labelled racists, when all they ever wanted was a fair shot...the same shot that those older generations got...

Rant Over. Im voting Leave, hoping house prices come back down to an affordable level, then voting Green, from now on, unless we have a rapid sea change in politics....introducing FPTP etc...
The problem is that when house prices come down in this country, that tends to be accompanied by surging unemployment and economic crash, so although prices are lower, typically even fewer people can afford to buy.

The underlying issue is that social house construction has fallen drastically since the 70s and not nearly enough affordable rental property in the social sector has been provided. This in turn has led to a huge growth in private renting and the transfer from owner occupied private housing to landlord owned tenant occupied property, adding to the growth of house prices, higher rents and the inability of younger people in particular to find anywhere to live.

Leaving the EU will have zero effect on any of this, for the simple reason none of it has anything whatever to do with the EU and everything to do with the policies of our own governments, that put the interests of middle class home owners in the South East above those of everybody else.
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Mass immigration and buy to let go hand in glove with each other.

Since 2000is - a few years earlier in London - landlords and buy to let investors have been driving the housing market pushing up house prices to what they are. A hard brexit will be a kick in the teeth for landlords and property investors who will end up chasing too few tenants as most of the eastern Europeans will have returned home. They will be forced to sell up and the largest market will be homeowners.
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I don't really know what it should be about.. I can't think of anything more appropriate then it basically becoming a second referendum though. If we are not going to stay in the EU then those we elect will never get to ennact any real change, so the only thing left is to use your vote to make a point to the current government.

It doesn't work well as a second referendum though because the two main parties blur the lines so much. You won't be able to look at the results and say "this number of people voted for brexit parties, and this number voted for remain parties, so if we did another refereundum....." because while ukip/brexit party/green/lib dem may be clear in their positions, those who vote tory and labor can't be presumed to want to remain or leave, given the parties are a mix of both, and their policies are currently a mix of both.

I don't really care who wins though, I just hope there is another general election soon, so we can actually push past our current deadlock. I can'ts ee a way these EU elections will either help or hinder it at all.
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