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I don't understand the answer to this question
The mass spectrum of butanone shows its main peak at m/z 72. It also has a small signal at m/z 73.
a) Which ionisation technique is likely to have been used?
b) What is the relative formula mass of this compound?

For a) I wrote electron impact but I don't know if my reasoning is correct- is it because fragmentation has occurred to produce two peaks rather than one which would be seen from electrospray ionisation

For b) I thought that the relative formula mass would be 73 as the greatest m/z peak value equals the relative formula mass but the mark scheme says it's 72?

Could someone please explain where I've gone wrong in part a and b? Thank you
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I don't understand the answer to this question
The mass spectrum of butanone shows its main peak at m/z 72. It also has a small signal at m/z 73.
a) Which ionisation technique is likely to have been used?
b) What is the relative formula mass of this compound?

For a) I wrote electron impact but I don't know if my reasoning is correct- is it because fragmentation has occurred to produce two peaks rather than one which would be seen from electrospray ionisation

For b) I thought that the relative formula mass would be 73 as the greatest m/z peak value equals the relative formula mass but the mark scheme says it's 72?

Could someone please explain where I've gone wrong in part a and b? Thank you
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The peak at 73 is due to the butanone with one of the carbon atoms being a carbon 13 isotope. This is a low chance so it’s a small peak. But the RFM is just the same as butanone as the formula hasn’t changed.
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what spec are you doing? because if youre aqa, fragmentation isnt on spec anymore
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Thank you.
The presence of C13 or H2 isn't mentioned on the spec? How would I figure out whether the peak is the molecular ion peak or due to C13?
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The peak at 73 is due to the butanone with one of the carbon atoms being a carbon 13 isotope. This is a low chance so it’s a small peak. But the RFM is just the same as butanone as the formula hasn’t changed.
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I am an A Level student so and i haven't heard of 'ionisation techniques'. However, i think where you have gone wrong on part B is that the relative formula mass of Butanone is 72 (C4H8O), that's why it's not 73. I actually don't know why there would be a peak at 73. Just out of interest, is this GCSE?
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I don't understand the answer to this question
The mass spectrum of butanone shows its main peak at m/z 72. It also has a small signal at m/z 73.
a) Which ionisation technique is likely to have been used?
b) What is the relative formula mass of this compound?

For a) I wrote electron impact but I don't know if my reasoning is correct- is it because fragmentation has occurred to produce two peaks rather than one which would be seen from electrospray ionisation

For b) I thought that the relative formula mass would be 73 as the greatest m/z peak value equals the relative formula mass but the mark scheme says it's 72?

Could someone please explain where I've gone wrong in part a and b? Thank you
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Oh I didn't know this. My teacher said that you do need to know it for AQA..
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what spec are you doing? because if youre aqa, fragmentation isnt on spec anymore
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No it's A Level. There's electron impact and electrospray ionisation
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I am an A Level student so and i haven't heard of 'ionisation techniques'. However, i think where you have gone wrong on part B is that the relative formula mass of Butanone is 72 (C4H8O), that's why it's not 73. I actually don't know why there would be a peak at 73. Just out of interest, is this GCSE?
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its definitely a level, the 3rd post was correct in stating the peak at 73 is due to a carbon 13 being present
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I am an A Level student so and i haven't heard of 'ionisation techniques'. However, i think where you have gone wrong on part B is that the relative formula mass of Butanone is 72 (C4H8O), that's why it's not 73. I actually don't know why there would be a peak at 73. Just out of interest, is this GCSE?
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Thank you.
The presence of C13 or H2 isn't mentioned on the spec? How would I figure out whether the peak is the molecular ion peak or due to C13?
The molecular ion peak is much larger than the M+1 peak. As I said the probability of the compound contain a carbon 13 is much smaller, so the relative intensity of the peak is much smaller than the molecular ion peak.
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No it's A Level. There's electron impact and electrospray ionisation
Oh okay. I do OCR A Chemistry and we don't do that. Are you on AQA?
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Yep, no longer on our spec. All you need to know now is electrospray ionisation, and its method in gaining a H+ ion. and electron gun, where high energy electrons bombard an atom to knock an electron off
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Oh I didn't know this. My teacher said that you do need to know it for AQA..
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Sorry but what do you mean by the M+1 peak?
Isn't the molecular ion peak usually smaller anyway? How does the peak with C13 differ to that of the molecular ion peak?
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The molecular ion peak is much larger than the M+1 peak. As I said the probability of the compound contain a carbon 13 is much smaller, so the relative intensity of the peak is much smaller than the molecular ion peak.
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Oh okay. I do OCR A Chemistry and we don't do that. Are you on AQA?
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in electrospray ionization, the compound gains a proton so it becomes M + 1 and that’s why the peak is at 73 rather than 72.
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Well that makes revision a bit easier. Thank you!
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Yep, no longer on our spec. All you need to know now is electrospray ionisation, and its method in gaining a H+ ion. and electron gun, where high energy electrons bombard an atom to knock an electron off
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The markscheme says electron impact
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in electrospray ionization, the compound gains a proton so it becomes M + 1 and that’s why the peak is at 73 rather than 72.
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but if it’s electron impact electrons are knocked off so there’s no change in molecular mass?
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The markscheme says electron impact
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Yes, 72 is the relative formula mass because remember small molecular peaks are usually unstable molecular fragments because if you look at a mass spec graph the final major peak is considered as the relative formula mass of the molecule any peak smaller than the Final major peaks are considered as unstable isotopic peaks.
and it is Electrospray Ionisation because electron impact is only used for molecules with low formula mass and electron spray is used on large formula molecules to prevent a lot of fragmentation which would occur with low formula mass molecules.
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I don't understand the answer to this question
The mass spectrum of butanone shows its main peak at m/z 72. It also has a small signal at m/z 73.
a) Which ionisation technique is likely to have been used?
b) What is the relative formula mass of this compound?

For a) I wrote electron impact but I don't know if my reasoning is correct- is it because fragmentation has occurred to produce two peaks rather than one which would be seen from electrospray ionisation

For b) I thought that the relative formula mass would be 73 as the greatest m/z peak value equals the relative formula mass but the mark scheme says it's 72?

Could someone please explain where I've gone wrong in part a and b? Thank you
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you dont its barely on the spec now they focus more towards infrared spectrometry and how to atoms are ionised and acceleration blah blah have a look on the spec now on aqa website
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Oh I didn't know this. My teacher said that you do need to know it for AQA..
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