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Hi all, I'd be grateful if anyone could give me some insight.

I just wanted to find out roughly how long it has taken people to progress (non fast stream) from EO to SEO? Additionally, from SEO to grade 7? I understand that there will be variables at play here, but I just wanted to know roughly.

I appreciate your time. Thank you
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Depends what department you go into as smaller departments may be more specialised and footfall leaving the department will be low so less frequent opportunity to go upwards.



How proactive you are to take the 'lead' on certain things in your team. I'm a lead in my team for something and alongside my role I do extra duties which has made the site familiar with who I am and left a positive impression. Stuff like this helps develop your competencies. I also do coaching/mentoring.

How willing you are to keep consensus and not rock the boat (don't believe anyone who says that promotion is solely on merit, they are delusional) position yourself to deputise your HEO if possible to gain leadership experience. Be hyper aware of what works for staff engagement.

I think you can do it across 3-4 years to SEO. Or you could do it in two. Who knows?

Again as you said it's full of so many variables, some within your control but I think a lot of it is out of your control. No clue regarding grade 7 progression, I think that's where you start getting too close to politics and 'face-fitting' gets a bit comical from what I've seen so far. My current SEO dropped from Grade 7 because they felt too distant from 'what really mattered'. Consider that although the grade climb will bring better pay the satisfaction you get from your job alters significantly. If you enjoy getting stuck in at an operational level then the more you get turned into a meeting monkey as you climb the more you may find yourself feeling slightly disillusioned. I'm very happy at EO grade at the moment, and would do HEO team leader at most. All the SEO does is answer a never ending email inbox of trivial shite and go to endless meetings that are often roundabout and no progress is made. I've shadowed them and it's genuinely mind numbing. Just my experience though. They do have a lot more power to implement change, but they have their own handcuffs to slip in that regard.
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Thank you for getting back to me, I appreciate it. I was quite shocked about the SEO you know, who had a bad experience at Grade 7. It just goes to show you how important job satisfaction really is. I just wanted like a timeline to compare myself against, to use as guide. So I have something to use to push myself.
(Original post by Vexper)
Depends what department you go into as smaller departments may be more specialised and footfall leaving the department will be low so less frequent opportunity to go upwards.



How proactive you are to take the 'lead' on certain things in your team. I'm a lead in my team for something and alongside my role I do extra duties which has made the site familiar with who I am and left a positive impression. Stuff like this helps develop your competencies. I also do coaching/mentoring.

How willing you are to keep consensus and not rock the boat (don't believe anyone who says that promotion is solely on merit, they are delusional) position yourself to deputise your HEO if possible to gain leadership experience. Be hyper aware of what works for staff engagement.

I think you can do it across 3-4 years to SEO. Or you could do it in two. Who knows?

Again as you said it's full of so many variables, some within your control but I think a lot of it is out of your control. No clue regarding grade 7 progression, I think that's where you start getting too close to politics and 'face-fitting' gets a bit comical from what I've seen so far. My current SEO dropped from Grade 7 because they felt too distant from 'what really mattered'. Consider that although the grade climb will bring better pay the satisfaction you get from your job alters significantly. If you enjoy getting stuck in at an operational level then the more you get turned into a meeting monkey as you climb the more you may find yourself feeling slightly disillusioned. I'm very happy at EO grade at the moment, and would do HEO team leader at most. All the SEO does is answer a never ending email inbox of trivial shite and go to endless meetings that are often roundabout and no progress is made. I've shadowed them and it's genuinely mind numbing. Just my experience though. They do have a lot more power to implement change, but they have their own handcuffs to slip in that regard.
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I joined the CS in Oct 17 and have just been promoted to G7. My colleague was an EO 3 years ago and has also just been promoted to G7. Its really up to you to make sure you get the right examples to be competitive on your application.
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Did you and your colleauge go from SEO to grade 7 or HEO to grade 7? did you skip any grades to get there?
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I joined the CS in Oct 17 and have just been promoted to G7. My colleague was an EO 3 years ago and has also just been promoted to G7. Its really up to you to make sure you get the right examples to be competitive on your application.
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I joined the CS as an SEO, so no skipping grades for me. My colleague went through EO>HEO>SEO>G7. They’d been a cs for quite a few years but once they found their motivation things moved fast.
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Did you and your colleauge go from SEO to grade 7 or HEO to grade 7? did you skip any grades to get there?
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Your information is very helpful, thank you!

I've been contacted by the Department for International Trade for an HEO role through the direct appointment scheme, from what I've read in your comment it seems like there's a lot of man-management expected at this level, is that the case?
(Original post by Vexper)
Depends what department you go into as smaller departments may be more specialised and footfall leaving the department will be low so less frequent opportunity to go upwards.



How proactive you are to take the 'lead' on certain things in your team. I'm a lead in my team for something and alongside my role I do extra duties which has made the site familiar with who I am and left a positive impression. Stuff like this helps develop your competencies. I also do coaching/mentoring.

How willing you are to keep consensus and not rock the boat (don't believe anyone who says that promotion is solely on merit, they are delusional) position yourself to deputise your HEO if possible to gain leadership experience. Be hyper aware of what works for staff engagement.

I think you can do it across 3-4 years to SEO. Or you could do it in two. Who knows?

Again as you said it's full of so many variables, some within your control but I think a lot of it is out of your control. No clue regarding grade 7 progression, I think that's where you start getting too close to politics and 'face-fitting' gets a bit comical from what I've seen so far. My current SEO dropped from Grade 7 because they felt too distant from 'what really mattered'. Consider that although the grade climb will bring better pay the satisfaction you get from your job alters significantly. If you enjoy getting stuck in at an operational level then the more you get turned into a meeting monkey as you climb the more you may find yourself feeling slightly disillusioned. I'm very happy at EO grade at the moment, and would do HEO team leader at most. All the SEO does is answer a never ending email inbox of trivial shite and go to endless meetings that are often roundabout and no progress is made. I've shadowed them and it's genuinely mind numbing. Just my experience though. They do have a lot more power to implement change, but they have their own handcuffs to slip in that regard.
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Thank you for giving me some insight. Ultimately, it does depend on the individual. I just wanted to gather responses to see if there's an average rate most progress on.
(Original post by Captainusa)
I joined the CS as an SEO, so no skipping grades for me. My colleague went through EO>HEO>SEO>G7. They’d been a cs for quite a few years but once they found their motivation things moved fast.
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(Original post by Aox)
Your information is very helpful, thank you!

I've been contacted by the Department for International Trade for an HEO role through the direct appointment scheme, from what I've read in your comment it seems like there's a lot of man-management expected at this level, is that the case?
Couldn't say, HEO is a management role, but in some cases you won't be managing a team, you will just be managing your own workload in relation to how key those responsibilites are. If your job requires you to interact with lots of different stakeholders then you might be more independent. Are you asking me if you are going to subject to man-management, or that you will be doing that yourself? I have no idea, I don't know the job
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