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limit proof

Hi,

if you want to prove that limf(x) =4 as x goes to 2 where

f(x)= x^2 if x=/=2 an 1 if x=2 Then

let e>0 be given an we need to find a d>0 such that whenever

0<|x-2|<d we have |f(x)-4|<e. So we solve

|f(x)-4|<e with f(x) = x^2 to give

4-e<x^2<e+4

at which point you take the square root which is assuming e<4.

so you get to

rt(4-e) < x < rt(4+e)

and then we just take d to be the minimum of min(2-rt(4-e) , rt(4+e) -2)

but earlier we assumed that e<4, how does this prove the statement if the definition requires that you can choose any e>0? Does The delta i found work for larger values of e as well? thanks
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The formatting is a bit hard to read, but all the defn of a limit requires is that for epsilon > 0, there exists a delta. The bound doesn't have to be tight, so for your example, for all epsilon > 1, you could assume there was a constant ball of size "c" (delta) about 2 and that would be ok.


Original post by carl fringos!
Hi,

if you want to prove that limf(x) =4 as x goes to 2 where

f(x)= x^2 if x=/=2 an 1 if x=2 Then

let e>0 be given an we need to find a d>0 such that whenever

0<|x-2|<d we have |f(x)-4|<e. So we solve

|f(x)-4|<e with f(x) = x^2 to give

4-e<x^2<e+4

at which point you take the square root which is assuming e<4.

so you get to

rt(4-e) < x < rt(4+e)

and then we just take d to be the minimum of min(2-rt(4-e) , rt(4+e) -2)

but earlier we assumed that e<4, how does this prove the statement if the definition requires that you can choose any e>0? Does The delta i found work for larger values of e as well? thanks
Original post by mqb2766
The formatting is a bit hard to read, but all the defn of a limit requires is that for epsilon > 0, there exists a delta. The bound doesn't have to be tight, so for your example, for all epsilon > 1, you could assume there was a constant ball of size "c" (delta) about 2 and that would be ok.

So is what you are saying that if we chose say e=6 then we would not use my formula for delta with e=6. We would use say e=3 to find the delta with the equation for delta as that would be defined, thanks
Reply 3
Yes, but its in the noise. Its far from the limit value, so isn't that important.
Original post by carl fringos!
So is what you are saying that if we chose say e=6 then we would not use my formula for delta with e=6. We would use say e=3 to find the delta with the equation for delta as that would be defined, thanks
Original post by carl fringos!
So is what you are saying that if we chose say e=6 then we would not use my formula for delta with e=6. We would use say e=3 to find the delta with the equation for delta as that would be defined, thanks

Yes. If you want to show |B|<epsilon, it's obviously sufficient it's less than something smaller than epsilon.

In practical terms, we only care about what happens when epsilon is small, so commonly you would just state "WLOG, epsilon < 4" here.

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