Chances for non EU/EEA national to secure a TC after GDL? Watch

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Folks, can you please provide your thoughts on this matter?
What are the chances for a non EU/EEA national with non-law Masters Degree to secure a TC after City/BPP/UoL GDL? So much afraid of investing own funds on such endeavor...
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Prolly not great given that you've made two mistakes in one short paragraph
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Prolly they will tolerate non-EEA's ignorance until self-improvement takes place
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Prolly they will tolerate non-EEA's ignorance until self-improvement takes place
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I wasn't joking - they really do want a high standard of English. One mistake and your app is out. Same goes for interviews, where polish and confidence and articulation while under pressure matter. If you haven't reached that standard having studied to Master's level... it doesn't look too promising for you. Take this from someone who's also a non-native speaker and who found this a challenge.

My other worry (based on the exactly two pieces of info you gave us) is that you're entering the game too late. It may take you two, three or more years to get a TC. Do you have anything to do in the meantime? Are you happy to start your TC when you're a bit older? Will you have a right to stay in the UK given that you'll no longer be a student? These are all practical issues and you should think about them.
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Sounds wise. That was exactly the very first thing I was wondering about, since I'm already 35. Indeed could be late, however I was impressed by several stories of people being older than me, who had entered the game even later. Talking about a right to stay in the UK - not sure yet. Hope that UKUniversities Proposal will be approved. In such case there supposed to be a right to stay for 2 years after study. Sorry for low standard of English. Never been to English speaking country before, however I think I'll manage to improve it considerably in a 1 year period, in case admitted to City/BPP/UoL. Otherwise, why would they require IELTS 7? They could have put it to 9 by default. Right?
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The change in post study visa options near a decade ago are unlikely to revert back, especially with the growth of non UK students studying in the UK.
Sounds like you are sick and tired of immigrants out there, like we are in here

Nevertheless thanks a lot for your remarks. I think I'm gonna reconsider my intention.
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Never been to English speaking country before, however I think I'll manage to improve it considerably in a 1 year period, in case admitted to City/BPP/UoL. Otherwise, why would they require IELTS 7? They could have put it to 9 by default. Right?
BPP and UoL are private providers of legal education and to be very blunt, seem more keen on getting money out of people than making sure they have a realistic chance of a Law career. It's similar to buyer beware - they will let people onto the course with IELTS 7 if that is the minimum level required to pass the course, but won't point out the difficulty of gaining a Training Contract for people lacking the highest standards of English. It's good to know these things in advance.
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BPP and UoL are private providers of legal education and to be very blunt, seem more keen on getting money out of people than making sure they have a realistic chance of a Law career. It's similar to buyer beware - they will let people onto the course with IELTS 7 if that is the minimum level required to pass the course, but won't point out the difficulty of gaining a Training Contract for people lacking the highest standards of English. It's good to know these things in advance.
Mate, thanks a lot for your valuable remark. After almost a month-period of a thorough web search I got that point of 'impossibility' to secure that damned BPTC with further pupillage. There are quite a lot of happy ending stories of UK/EU students who successfully secured either BPTC or LPC after GDL, however not a single story about non-EU/EEA individual. So I thought maybe some of TSR folks here could shed light on this particular issue. Now it's clear enough nobody in his right mind will gonna fund a 35y/o non-EEA old fart
So the hell with that Pupillage/TC bull...I think it would be wise to invest in cheapest possible GDL (btw do you know of any?) and start working in whatsoever legal field afterwards. What're you folks thinking of this?
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Pupillage and a TC are two very different things taking two very different career routes in England and Wales. One important thing is to understand this and make a clear decision which career path you want to take.
That I do understand. From the very beginning I knew I would love to make a Pupillage, however after looking through the annual statistics (180-something TC against 1000-something Pupillages if I'm not mistaking) I decided it would be easier to secure a TC. However you guys are killing any hopes for anything here At least that GDL will be recognized abroad, am I right?
BTW, what do you think of Metropolitan? Their GDL offer seems to be the cheapest one.
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Many countries won’t recognise the GDL - depends where in the world you want to work.
You mean non-common law countries?
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(180-something TC against 1000-something Pupillages if I'm not mistaking)
Sorry, I meant vice versa.
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That I heard as well. So you guys are actually hinting there is no point of investing in GDL at all, am I getting it right?

In such case what would you suggest a non-EEA non-law graduate to be internationally recognized? Senior Status LLB?
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(Original post by JohanGRK)
I wasn't joking - they really do want a high standard of English. One mistake and your app is out. Same goes for interviews, where polish and confidence and articulation while under pressure matter. If you haven't reached that standard having studied to Master's level... it doesn't look too promising for you. Take this from someone who's also a non-native speaker and who found this a challenge.

My other worry (based on the exactly two pieces of info you gave us) is that you're entering the game too late. It may take you two, three or more years to get a TC. Do you have anything to do in the meantime? Are you happy to start your TC when you're a bit older? Will you have a right to stay in the UK given that you'll no longer be a student? These are all practical issues and you should think about them.
Hi, I’m just intrigued, what’s your first language? 🙂
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Why? Is it so ugly or what? Tell me the truth - I promise, I'll stand it
In regard to your question - it's Ukrainian actually.
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Even many common law countries won’t recognise it. The GDL tends to only be of use if you want to work in England and Wales.

If you want to work in other countries in the vast majority of cases, you will need to go through the local qualification route there. The GDL rarely gives you exemptions for doing that.
Sad...what are they guys from India and China doing out there in UK then? AFAIK no more than 15% stay there. Turns out others gonna be 'unrecognized' back home
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1) a lot of people from China do PG courses just to live in the UK and improve their English.
Haven't they heard of language courses in UK or at least a tourist visa?
Still, what do you think of Metropolitan? Only £6k/annum...
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I was actually asking from the perspective of tuition fee. Are you aware of any other institution with a cheaper offer? Anyway, according to previous suggestions it will more likely be a wasteful investment for me, so let it be as cost-friendly as possible.
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To put myself in Chinese shoes
Just kidding...truthfully speaking there are some hopes it will (maybe) provide me with opportunities to make Oxbridge LLM in the distant future.
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The state they will, in case of graduate degree possession with a distinction at least.
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Neither will I with SS LLB I suppose?
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